choice. What's the big deal?
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Haven't time to read all of this ( 
) but I just want to say that the constant air of threat against my CHOICE to remain a council tenant instead of having my estate devolved to manegement by some other body, is really pissing me off. Even when it doesn't directly affect my estate for the moment, some other estates nearby (I've posted about this loads in recent times) are very much under threat ....
Thats their 'choice' -- accept a change of landlord or have your estate starved of investment.
) but I just want to say that the constant air of threat against my CHOICE to remain a council tenant instead of having my estate devolved to manegement by some other body, is really pissing me off. Even when it doesn't directly affect my estate for the moment, some other estates nearby (I've posted about this loads in recent times) are very much under threat ....Thats their 'choice' -- accept a change of landlord or have your estate starved of investment.
Giles said:
Doesn't that assume we are all in an equal position to choose in the first place?
Choosing your brand of toothpaste doesnt really have an effect anyone else. Choosing in education or health favours those who have the time and resorces avaliable to 'choose' at the expense of those who don't.
e.g. someone I work for who choose to send his kids to a particular school but was only in a position to choose because he could afford to move town and had the time to pretend to be a Christian. Is that a good basis for our society?
But unless you can afford to pay for private school or private health care; you are limited to the same “choice” as others who live in your area if you are talking about state services.Giles said:
The right to choose should not be dictated by the money you have, or people with little money will get little or no choice.
Giles said:
Because resources go to "good" (think league tables) schools that are popular with the middle class enabling them to become "beacons" in the local education environment and then these schools start excluding working class children who live nearby becasue of league tables etc.
Because the Guidance for state schools intakes are governed by rules, in the main these:Giles said:
1st for students with special educational needs
2nd for students with a sibling in the school
3rd for students who live nearer the school
These are the basic criteria in most state schools, there are other rules but as far as most parents are concerned the above is the criteria.
Giles: I posted above just a few of the documents such as league tables, DfES reports, Ofsted reports, panda’s etc. I would guess that at least 80% of parents who have never worked in education would know what most of the above are, where to find them and how to interpret them.
You would also need a knowledge of the history of the school or these reports would be useless, I could name you 5 schools in London that currently have glowing Ofsted reports and have jumped up a massive amount in the league tables over the last 3 years, but what those tables and reports don’t show is that instead of the about £2,500 being spent per head per student it was something in the region of £6,000 per head; twice what it would have cost to send each of those children to a local private school that cost £3,000 per year.
Choice is as I said above an illusion unless you are in the know and have all the relevant facts.
Incidentally, now that those schools have had the extra funding removed they are again falling in the league tables so the government seeing it experiment not working has decided to turn them into these Tec knowledge colleges before the full extent of their failure is known to the parents.
Politics has no place in running schools or health services or you end up with systems like you have, in the last few years there have been more “NEW” projects than can be absorbed into the system.
You would also need a knowledge of the history of the school or these reports would be useless, I could name you 5 schools in London that currently have glowing Ofsted reports and have jumped up a massive amount in the league tables over the last 3 years, but what those tables and reports don’t show is that instead of the about £2,500 being spent per head per student it was something in the region of £6,000 per head; twice what it would have cost to send each of those children to a local private school that cost £3,000 per year.
Choice is as I said above an illusion unless you are in the know and have all the relevant facts.
Incidentally, now that those schools have had the extra funding removed they are again falling in the league tables so the government seeing it experiment not working has decided to turn them into these Tec knowledge colleges before the full extent of their failure is known to the parents.
Politics has no place in running schools or health services or you end up with systems like you have, in the last few years there have been more “NEW” projects than can be absorbed into the system.
memespring said:
So everyone should just be forced to accept what is doled out to them, just to make sure that no-one gets any more than anyone else?
If that's what you think, we will just have to agree to differ on this, I'm afraid.
"If you set up a school and it becomes a good school, the great danger is that everyone wants to go there." - John Prescott
Giles..
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