Chinawhite/Funky Buddha etc. Is it possible to have a good time in these places?

[DRINK?]

Just because it's you saying the snobbery (or 'reverse snobbery') thing rather than the OP's friend, doesn't make it any less of a stupid thing to say.

If people think, from experience, that places like that are overpriced shitholes full of twattish arseholes, can they be allowed to express their opinion without being accused of being a 'reverse snob'?

Utterly wanky thing to say, you're smarter than that kyser

Very true, i can be the biggest snob out there...if it suits....putting labels on people means nothing I can flit from scene to scene. I hang out with lords and ladies in some aspects of my life and total scumbags in others, it s not hard to mix in any level of society if you are open to it all....and and the end of the day it makes no odds how rich or poor people are, it is how they are and how I get on with them.

These place are sh*t nothing to do with snobbishness, jealousy whatever spin you might put on it...

 

[Numbers]

x a million??

william it IS reverse snobbery. sorry to break it to you old bean.

edit: incidentally have you ever been to such places?

exactly...

 

[kyser_soze]

Just because it's you saying the snobbery (or 'reverse snobbery') thing rather than the OP's friend, doesn't make it any less of a stupid thing to say.

If people think, from experience, that places like that are overpriced shitholes full of twattish arseholes, can they be allowed to express their opinion without being accused of being a 'reverse snob'?

Utterly wanky thing to say, you're smarter than that kyser

Hardly - the tone is that because X place is frequented by Y person it is therefore shit. I'm not having a go at anyone who's been to a one and thinks they're shit. I have an issue with people who think they're shit on principle.

I'd have thought you'd have been able to recognise the difference.

 

[DRINK?]

Hardly - the tone is that because X place is frequented by Y person it is therefore shit. I'm not having a go at anyone who's been to a one and thinks they're shit. I have an issue with people who think they're shit on principle.

I'd have thought you'd have been able to recognise the difference.

agree with that as well....trust me though they are sh*t.....most of the time

 

[dolly's gal]

These place are sh*t nothing to do with snobbishness, jealousy whatever spin you might put on it...

well of course not all people are going to like going to the same places. some people like those awful tribe of munt parties ( ) while others seem to like sipping Champaign cocktails down cafe de Paris.

the snobbishness comes when people start banging on about vacuous coke-heads this and boring rich-cunts that. i doubt the people of urban would like it if i started saying that only disgusting smelly ket-monkeys go to squat parties.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Like Tones, I'm happy to go to both and enjoy both for what they are are respective ways of being hedonistic.

Well, given a few drinks I can get something out of most places and in the grand scheme of things there aren't that many gaffs that I can say I truly regret having ever set foot in. After all, it's who you're with that counts for at least half of it. But being dragged to Tiger Tiger in Croydon for a friend's birthday was not an enjoyable experience. In fact, it was so soul-destroyingly hollow that I couldn't even get pissed.

This might have had something to do with the aggressively territorial, survival-of-the-fittest-sales-rep mentality or the 35-minute wait at the bar to be served £5 bottles of weak lager while manifold feral-eyed suits and scantily clad girls who got to the bar way after us were served before. Or both. And that's not even taking into account the vicious, lumpenly mobile, stubble-and-stillettoed crush for most of the night inside, or the power-obsessed thugs with faces like half-melted rubber bulldogs on the doors who took ten minutes to decide whether they liked the look of us enough to let us in (and who on at least two later occasions were spotted heartily twatting punters to within an inch of their blood supply)...in retrospect, in wish they hadn't.

In my very humble opinion, these places are evil. Never again!

 

[William of Walworth]

william it IS reverse snobbery. sorry to break it to you old bean.

Whatever -- it's valid criticism in my book.

edit: incidentally have you ever been to such places?

See my earlier post. I admit my limited experience is of earlier versions, but from everyone's accounts that I've heard from lots of different people that I respect, things haven't changed terribly much in these pricey clubs!

(no doubt those people are 'all' 'reverse snobs' though )

 

[SubZeroCat]

Yes they are bad... but you can have exceedingly good fun at them.

went not too long ago with TicTac from here, to Pangaea in Mayfair, it cost £600 for the table, with waitress service and for the £600 nicker you get a cpl of bottles of Dom Perignon, bottle of Vodka and loads of women showing interest, cos they think you is loaded innit.

I was schizzle nizzled completely, but cos peeps think you have loads of wonga to chuck away they're rather friendly and there's lots of rub-a-dub if you want.

We did have a great time in there.

I wouldn't pay £20 for that, let alone £600!

Those kind of clubs sound like my idea of hell (even if the booze was free) and some of the bimbos I went to school with frequented those places and then bragged about it.

Bleurgh.

 

[William of Walworth]

Hardly - the tone is that because X place is frequented by Y person it is therefore shit. I'm not having a go at anyone who's been to a one and thinks they're shit. I have an issue with people who think they're shit on principle.

I'd have thought you'd have been able to recognise the difference.

My criticism is the extreme expense and ripoffery, and that you can get a much more enjoyable time elsewhere at saner prices (I don't just mean squat parties, which as you acknowledge suit some but not others). The fact that these pricey clubs tend to be frequented by coked up arseholes shouting their mouths off is a secondary objection, but it doesn't help.

I freely admit my experience of such places is limited and somewhat out of date, but if a place is charging outrageous door fees and (particularly) outrageous booze prices to go into somehere with a generally horrible atmosphere, I'd like to be able to criticise that without being subjected to the lazy sneer of 'reverse snobbery'

 

[kyser_soze]

But being dragged to Tiger Tiger in Croydon

Well, in fairness even I'd say that was hell...but wouldn't deny those who frequent it the pleasure they get from preening in such places (partly because during my single days TT on Haymarket was a TOP place to pull )...I'd also never put a TT into the same category of somewhere like China Whites or Pangeaeaeaeaea.

I mean lets be honest here - if someone who likes TT or whatever was taken to a squat party they'd hate it just as much but they'd be being 'judgemental' about it...as opposed to simply offering an 'opinion'

the snobbishness comes when people start banging on about vacuous coke-heads this and boring rich-cunts that. i doubt the people of urban would like it if i started saying that only disgusting smelly ket-monkeys go to squat parties.

Precisely.

WoW - I wasn't referring to you about the snobbery thing BTW - you simply stated an opinion that you think those places are shite becase of the prices etc and then started on this reverse snobbery thing, and then go on to do precisely that - 'filled with coke heads' and so on.

 

[William of Walworth]

Well, given a few drinks I can get something out of most places and in the grand scheme of things there aren't that many gaffs that I can say I truly regret having ever set foot in. After all, it's who you're with that counts for at least half of it. But being dragged to Tiger Tiger in Croydon for a friend's birthday was not an enjoyable experience. In fact, it was so soul-destroyingly hollow that I couldn't even get pissed.

This might have had something to do with the aggressively territorial, survival-of-the-fittest-sales-rep mentality or the 35-minute wait at the bar to be served £5 bottles of weak lager while manifold feral-eyed suits and scantily clad girls who got to the bar way after us were served before. Or both. And that's not even taking into account the vicious, lumpenly mobile, stubble-and-stillettoed crush for most of the night inside, or the power-obsessed thugs with faces like half-melted rubber bulldogs on the doors who took ten minutes to decide whether they liked the look of us enough to let us in (and who on at least two later occasions were spotted heartily twatting punters to within an inch of their blood supply)...in retrospect, in wish they hadn't.

In my very humble opinion, these places are evil. Never again!

You're talking rubbish though mate, you're just a 'reverse snob'

 

[dolly's gal]

I freely admit my experience of such places is limited and somewhat out of date, but if a place is charging outrageous door fees and (particularly) outrageous booze prices to go into somehere with a generally horrible atmosphere, I'd like to be able to criticise that without being subjected to the lazy sneer of 'reverse snobbery'

well surely you don't go if you can't afford the drinks?

 

[dolly's gal]

You're talking rubbish though mate, you're just a 'reverse snob'

tiger tiger is a foul chain. can't disagree with him there!

 

[Fruitloop]

The main problem with them is just that they're such shite value for money. I mean six hundred bar for a table and some champagne - I can show you some serious fun for that money

 

[William of Walworth]

the snobbishness comes when people start banging on about vacuous coke-heads this and boring rich-cunts that. i doubt the people of urban would like it if i started saying that only disgusting smelly ket-monkeys go to squat parties.

Well I for one certainly never claimed ONLY rich cokeheads went to expensive clubs, but if peoples' actual experience of those clubs is that loud, rich cokeheads do frequent them in numbers, and if said objectors really really don't like hanging out with rich cokeheads spouting shite in a loud voice, and more importantly they don't like being charged rip off doorfees and bar prices into the bargain, then I reckon they should say so ...

 

[William of Walworth]

The main problem with them is just that they're such shite value for money. I mean six hundred bar for a table and some champagne - I can show you some serious fun for that money

That was my main point though -- the ripoffery.

 

[kyser_soze]

I think it might be worth delineating what and where we are talking about here...

Tiger Tiger is a chain of bars that play shite music and are rammed full of pissed people who are out for a shag and possibly on the nose.

Pangeaeaeaaea and the like are hugely exepensive places to go and pose and pull a footballer/page 3 model.

I'm not a fan of either but can have a good night out in the latter and even the former type (Revolution for example) has good examples...

WRT to 'cokeheads'...they're everywhere. I've been in pubs which are utter shit holes with really ropey clientel (you know, the kind where it feels like it's about to kick off ALL THE TIME) where a quick rub of the cistern/seat reveals a sheen of white powder residue...

 

[William of Walworth]

well surely you don't go if you can't afford the drinks?

I don't -- hence my limited and somewhat out of date experience ...

But plenty of people I like and respect, and who aren't necessarily such a council flat dwelling, pub preferring cheapskate as me come out with similar criticisms** of the ripoffery ....

**(from better if unpleasant experience)

Look, when all's said and done, it was only the 'reverse snobbery' idea I was taking issue with. Some people will still have a very good time in pricey clubs even if ripped off to fuck for the experience, but let 'em, who am I to stop em, I'm not trying to. Other peeps prefer other ways of spending a late night. It's a difference of opinion and for the dislikers (IMO) a more discerning take on good value fior money, let's leave 'reverse snobbery' out of it ...

 

[dolly's gal]

Well I for one certainly never claimed ONLY rich cokeheads went to expensive clubs, but if peoples' actual experience of those clubs is that loud, rich cokeheads do frequent them in numbers, and if said objectors really really don't like hanging out with rich cokeheads spouting shite in a loud voice, and more importantly they don't like being charged rip off doorfees and bar prices into the bargain, then I reckon they should say so ...

well don't go then.

and don't say that just because you can't have a good time at these places, no one can.

not everyone likes real ale and weed william. and some people (shock fucking horror) enjoy a few lines of the good stuff over a night out, topped up with some expensive drinks. this doesn't make them inherently awful.

 

[William of Walworth]

WRT to 'cokeheads'...they're everywhere. I've been in pubs which are utter shit holes with really ropey clientel (you know, the kind where it feels like it's about to kick off ALL THE TIME) where a quick rub of the cistern/seat reveals a sheen of white powder residue...

Yes, no argument there, I'm not defending pubs like that either ...

 

[Fruitloop]

Kabaret is where it's at anyways

 

[William of Walworth]

well don't go then.

As I said, I don't.

and don't say that just because you can't have a good time at these places, no one can

Read my post on the previous page (no. 48) for clarification. I wasn't intending to say what you rather foolishly claim I was, but if it looked like I was in earlier posts, I've clarified now.

 

[dolly's gal]

hurrah! embrace diversity! cokeheads have rights too!

 

[kyser_soze]

What I don't like is that for persons like dg or myself who are can switch between 'scenes' is this whole idea that one is better/worse then the other. ALL have issues - e.g. I stopped going to squat parties for an age because I went to one in Battersea and ended up putting my and in a pile of dogshit.

Sometimes I want my local with a beer and conversation; sometimes I want to go to something a bit grubby and bounce around like a loon; sometimes I want to get properly dressed up to the nines and go out and POSE and stare at my reflection all evening and over pay for my drinks.

All are equally valid nights out with ups and downs.

 

[Sweet FA]

In one of the Ibiza versions of Chinawhite (The Mao Rooms), I muntedly walked into an 8ft mirror, believing it to be a doorway into another room. I was so twatted in fact, that I did a little shimmy as I got to the 'door' in an attempt to avoid colliding with the fucked up bloke stumbling towards me. That Simon and Miquita off Popworld were in there and they laughed their fucking arses off for a rudely long time

Therefore these places and all that are like them are shit. Fact.

 

[kyser_soze]

In one of the Ibiza versions of Chinawhite (The Mao Rooms), I muntedly walked into an 8ft mirror, believing it to be a doorway into another room. I was so twatted in fact, that I did a little shimmy as I got to the 'door' in an attempt to avoid colliding with the fucked up bloke stumbling towards me. That Simon and Miquita off Popworld were in there and they laughed their fucking arses off for a rudely long time

Therefore these places and all that are like them are shit. Fact.

Hmmm...should that be a smiley instead? I think ANYONE would've pissed themselves laughing at that...

 

[dolly's gal]

^^ what kyser says

(x a zillion)

 

[dolly's gal]

In one of the Ibiza versions of Chinawhite (The Mao Rooms), I muntedly walked into an 8ft mirror, believing it to be a doorway into another room. I was so twatted in fact, that I did a little shimmy as I got to the 'door' in an attempt to avoid colliding with the fucked up bloke stumbling towards me. That Simon and Miquita off Popworld were in there and they laughed their fucking arses off for a rudely long time

Therefore these places and all that are like them are shit. Fact.

roflmfao! i love simon and miquita!

 

[DRINK?]

What I don't like is that for persons like dg or myself who are can switch between 'scenes' is this whole idea that one is better/worse then the other. ALL have issues - e.g. I stopped going to squat parties for an age because I went to one in Battersea and ended up putting my and in a pile of dogshit.

Sometimes I want my local with a beer and conversation; sometimes I want to go to something a bit grubby and bounce around like a loon; sometimes I want to get properly dressed up to the nines and go out and POSE and stare at my reflection all evening and over pay for my drinks.

All are equally valid nights out with ups and downs.

Amen and ting to that....depends on so much though to restrict yourself from one or another due to pre concieved concepts as to what they maybe like...seems stupid....all about the mood you are in and what you fancy that night

 

[Sweet FA]

I think ANYONE would've pissed themselves laughing at that...

Yeh, to be fair Mrs FA nearly fell off her fucking stool laughing. To be fairer still, Si (as I know him now) sent over a bottle of Lanson 'for the entertainment' which is even more really as I think that might make me his bitch or something.

I actually quite like that scene every now and again - put the Paul Smith on, load up on the powder and pose about for a night...