Child rapist Ian Watkins murdered in prison

[tonysingh]

How do you keep people like Watkins safe though? Short of depriving them entirely of human contact, they'll never be truly safe.

 

[Pickman's model]

Because there was no abuse or abusers in feudal or slave economies? Interesting hypothesis.

More to do with a minority of men being cunts. Including some who believe they are committed to changing society sadly.

for once i agree with rd2003: This particular nightmare is only a reflection of the world that gave rise to it.

and the world that gave rise to it is not the former modes of production but the capitalist mode of production, whose history is also intertwined with massive forms of abuse like chattel slavery.

 

[A380]

for once i agree with rd2003: This particular nightmare is only a reflection of the world that gave rise to it.

and the world that gave rise to it is not the former modes of production but the capitalist mode of production, whose history is also intertwined with massive forms of abuse like chattel slavery.

Fair enough for this case.

 

[manji]

Nuns were notorious for abusing pupils in those convents

 

[A380]

How do you keep people like Watkins safe though? Short of depriving them entirely of human contact, they'll never be truly safe.

If you went for a fully therapeutic model where each offender mostly just interacted with staff for several years. But it would cost a fortune. Assuming you need five people to keep one slot filled 24/7/365 you would need about 10 to 15 people for security and therapy. Even if you did some group work that wouldn’t reduce those staff levels by much.

A civilised society would do it though.

 

[existentialist]

If you went for a fully therapeutic model where each offender mostly just interacted with staff for several years. But it would cost a fortune. Assuming you need five people to keep one slot filled 24/7/365 you would need about 10 to 15 people for security and therapy. Even if you did some group work that wouldn’t reduce those staff levels by much.

A civilised society would do it though.

All of which is why it's a much better idea to focus on prevention, and at the very least catching abuse early, before the harm is done that creates the next generation of abusers. You'll never eliminate it entirely, but we do nowhere NEAR enough to address the problem at source.

 

[tonysingh]

If you went for a fully therapeutic model where each offender mostly just interacted with staff for several years. But it would cost a fortune. Assuming you need five people to keep one slot filled 24/7/365 you would need about 10 to 15 people for security and therapy. Even if you did some group work that wouldn’t reduce those staff levels by much.

A civilised society would do it though.

Oh there I quite agree and as someone who's been the other side of the door, I've used my experience to advocate for a similar model. It's just that getting people to realise that spending more money on jails and imprisoning vastly fewer people is not a popular policy.

Sweden (among several countries that part of the world) have a very similar penal system to what you suggest and subsequently have an amazingly low recidivism rate. As existentialist says, we should focus upon prevention which our current system certainly does not. Every single prisoner, irrespective of their offence, is set up under the British system to fail and reoffend, usually in such a way that worse crimes are committed.

That brings me back to my original point though and perhaps i phrased it inelagantly. Under our current system, Watkins will never be safe, not 100%. Short of depriving him entirely of human contact, which in itself is a form of torture, there's really very little that can be done with things as they are.

 

[nobody’s houby]

I can’t believe he wasn’t behind a ‘do not open’. But then Wakefield holds some of the UK’s most vile offenders.



I think this is part of the reason people seem to take so much pleasure in paedophiles getting a kicking, I mean people aren’t stupid are they so surely they must think at times about why people become such horrific offenders and what, they themselves, may have done to cultivate or even perpetuate wrong doing in life.

Though with Watkin’s it was hard to feel sorry for him, even though I do believe everyone should be safe in prison.

I went to visit a mate in a Cat C near Wakefield last month. HMP Lindholme. Got himself caught-up running cocaine around the North of England for the big-wigs in Amsterdam and the Costa Del Sol. He doesn’t get many visitors. The striking thing about it was the people working there locking the doors. Not only unpleasant, not only intimidatory, not only amusing themselves with highly inappropriate conversations: they were pro-actively making the visitors feel uncomfortable; no better than the fucking inmates most of em.

 

[planetgeli]

He's dead. Attacked in prison again.

 

[Miss Understood]

He's dead. Attacked in prison again.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[The39thStep]

On one hand I'm shrugging my shoulders on the other I'm thinking of prison safety and a duty of care .

 

[Boo Radley75]

Only good thing that came out of this, this song. Good riddance. They finally got the right Ian Watkins.

 

[Terraform]

Wow

 

[LeytonCatLady]

He's dead. Attacked in prison again.

It was only a matter of time. I'm more shocked it took 13 years.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Only good thing that came out of this, this song. Good riddance. They finally got the right Ian Watkins.

How long has the one from Steps been calling himself "H", as I don't blame him if he was getting mistaken for that evil cunt?

 

[VivaE]

He was attacked with a knife by another inmate on Saturday morning, sources have confirmed. West Yorkshire Police said detectives from the homicide and major inquiry team are investigating after prison staff reported the assault on Watkins, who was pronounced dead at the scene.

Lostprophets singer Ian Watkins dies after attack in prison

 

[Terraform]

How long has the one from Steps been calling himself "H", as I don't blame him if he was getting mistaken for that evil cunt?

From well before. I interviewed him for Japanese TV in about 2002 and he was H then.

 

[PR1Berske]

What a life. Rock star fame, immense and unthinkable perverted crimes, killed in prison.

 

[maomao]

He would have been eligible for parole in six years (not that he necessarily would have got it). I hope it hurt.

 

[danny la rouge]

How long has the one from Steps been calling himself "H", as I don't blame him if he was getting mistaken for that evil cunt?

Steps’ fame predates the LostProphets. 5,6,7,8 came out 3 years before the first LostProphets release. (I feel sorry for the rest of that band. Imagine putting your heart and soul into the music only to find out you’ll never be able to listen to any of it ever again).

 

[Boo Radley75]

How long has the one from Steps been calling himself "H", as I don't blame him if he was getting mistaken for that evil cunt?

From long before. He got loads of death threats from morons on twitter, though, when this blew up, hence why Kunt wrote the song.

 

[platinumsage]

I'd rather be honest and advocate for the death penalty for people like Watkins than cheer on killings by other inmates.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'd rather be honest and advocate for the death penalty for people like Watkins than cheer on killings by other inmates.

Do so, then.

 

[platinumsage]

Do so, then.

I do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.

 

[danny la rouge]

I do, otherwise I wouldn’t have said it.

There you go then.

 

[Yossarian]

Was the knife OK?

 

[PR1Berske]

I'd rather be honest and advocate for the death penalty for people like Watkins than cheer on killings by other inmates.

Not the thread for this, though just to say, no state should ever have the death penalty, and the death penalty must never be the answer.

 

[maomao]

Last time he was kidnapped and stabbed was apparently because of an unpaid drug debt rather than because he raped babies. This is probably for some equally petty and tawdry reason rather than some sort of vigilante justice, he'll have been on the nonce wing anyway.

 

[platinumsage]

Not the thread for this

Why ever not? It’s not a RIP thread.

though just to say, no state should ever have the death penalty, and the death penalty must never be the answer.

It’s better than hoping the state fails in its duty to protect all prisoners. At least there would be due process.

 

[PR1Berske]