Chicago house and Detroit techno

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Yikes, nude photo came out in 87. Proper pioneering stuff then.

The other two links aren't working.

Sorry had http: in twice. Fixed now.

 

[Blagsta]

oooh, I'd forgotten that! A classic

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

altern 8's short-lived detroit alter egos nexus 21 were brilliant...

Ooh is it time for the 'does Detroit techno have to come from Detroit' debate yet?

 

[killer b]

frankie bones posted these links on discogs a bit ago... mostly chicago acid, mostly excellent...






































http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gwWFO5yfc

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5n5E_5XjM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZsoXhuEMc

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUubLpzgZg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XcFA5I4H9gA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0GuPlptqH9k

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eAU4wOY-xKQ













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[killer b]

Ooh is it time for the 'does Detroit techno have to come from Detroit' debate yet?

is there a debate?

it's a saunderson remix anyway - i played on the safe side...

still, i doubt there's many detroit techno albums which nail it as well as the nexus 21 album...

 

[Orang Utan]

frankie bones is a dick

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

is there a debate?

Some people do get really precious about it - I don't think there are any here though.

 

[killer b]

frankie bones is a dick

so? there's some classic tunes there i wouldn't have heard without him posting them...

 

[Orang Utan]

Sure, I was just saying.

 

[soulfulofsoul]

Thanks, but now Im confused again.


Love is happiness and acid falls,well actually most of Frankie Bones list sound totally Detroit to me. But then, I figure, that chicago acid would be closer to the detroit sound that other chicago stuff. In other words - less housey/percussive/ syncopated/ gay disco.

It's not easy, this.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Thanks, but now Im confused again.


Love is happiness and acid falls,well actually most of Frankie Bones list sound totally Detroit to me. But then, I figure, that chicago acid would be closer to the detroit sound that other chicago stuff. In other words - less housey/percussive/ syncopated/ gay disco.

It's not easy, this.

I don't think there's a line or anything like that that you can draw. Some records are clearly one or the other but some could easily fit into a techno set or a house set quite easily.

Dance music as a whole does seem to get really hung up on genre lines it has to be said.

 

[killer b]

indeed.

 

[gentlegreen]

A bit of an abstraction - Basic Channel :-



And relatedly ...

Rhythm and Sound :-


You couldn't, after all, have Detroit without Germany and Jamaica ...

 

[soulfulofsoul]

I totally agree that dance music gets carried away with categorising itself.

But it would still be good for me to know what the core elements of each style. And I figure there are going to be tunes which are classic examples of each.

It does seem to me that no one would call underground resistance chicago, but (to my ears) it's not that different from a lot of the stuff on the frankie bones list. Except maybe a bit more ravey. Would it be fair to say that detroit techno is more ravey when chicago is often more clubbish?

And yes, a good tune is a good tune and all that, but Id still like to get the differences between these two styles.

 

[killer b]

the core detroit sound is all about the strings... chicago is more funky & percussive.

 

[soulfulofsoul]

Cool. I think that basic disctinction is very helpful killer b, cheers.

 

[toblerone3]

I'm a bit confused as well

At a guess this is Chicago House, more prominent vocals.

True Faith/Final Cut/The Pin Up Girls - Take Me Away

 

[killer b]

well, that's jeff mills - so techno.

there's plenty of vocal techno tracks (loads of stuff by octave 1, yolande adams etc), although they do get forgotten somewhat these days...

 

[ohmyliver]

*eta, should have read the thread properly before posting, arses*

these been some cracking tracks posted, I love the transmat, metroplex, kms, stuff

for me detroit techno is all about the holy trinity of

the innovator: Derrick May (who said that techno was the sound of kraftwerk being locked in to a lift with p-funk)
(duplicated youtube urls removed)

r-theme

or the originator: Juan Atkins
techno city
no ufos

the future
night drive

or even the, um, elevator: Kevin Saunderson

rock to the beat
Tranzister
the groove that wont stop

or even the three of them working together
x rays' lets go


*eta* and I'm amazed i didn't follow it through to listening to jeff mills etc, thanks for the links

 

[killer b]

r-theme

what a tune. is this the one which pointed the way? most techno before this sounded like electro, but r-theme brought the lush strings which have characterised detroit techno for the past 20 years... unless there's something earlier?

 

[ska invita]

Could someone please explain these styles and their differences to me.

Not so much in a historical context but more like links to examples that represent each genre well.

ta muchly

Detroit stuff was more spare and techno-ey - influenced more by karftwek - generally more industrial, robotic, colder

Chicago house was from the gay club scene, born from disco (early house tracks were edits of existing disco tracks) and has a broader variety of sounds - generally more soulful - has more vocal tracks:
The tune that broke house in the UK:
Farley Jackmaster Funk - Love Can't Turn Around - 1986 - on top of the pops:


also 303s - acid house is from chicago (not really 303s in Detroit stuff) -
PHUTURE "ACID TRACKS " is sited as the first acid track:

 

[Orang Utan]

The tune that broke house in the UK:
Farley Jackmaster Funk - Love Can't Turn Around - 1986 - on top of the pops:

that is a wicked performance, esp when he flings off his shoes

I think maybe Steve Silk Hurly's Jack Your Body came out here before though - it's certainly the first house record I ever heard - they even printed the 'lyrics' out in Smash Hits

 

[Detroit City]

Could someone please explain these styles and their differences to me.

sorry, due to age i missed those musical revolutions so I can't say even though I now live in Chicago and grew up in Motown

 

[gentlegreen]

sorry, due to age i missed those musical revolutions

I had no idea you were so ancient (or incredibly young)

 

[Dan U]

some recentish Chicago type House