Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I think Goebbels liked his music a bit more martial. Lack of goosetepping and absence of references to Zionist conspiracies would also count against Kid Rock's effort.
Check out the latest state-militarist mind-progamming from the US :-(
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Azrael
circling Airstrip One
The Selective Service System has got them lined up should hard rock fail. 
The Selective Service System has got them lined up should hard rock fail.
Didn't know about that. Interesting to see if it's needed under obama's watch. Things are going that way...
8ball
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Considering he set up a website with quite an emphasis on direct action and protest it would seem odd if he was completely naive about the shenanigans Governments get up to.
He seems to be arguing more against the idea that such things are done
a) Competently (the Kid Rock vid seems to bear this out, looks like it's targeted exclusively at mentally slow 14 year olds).
b) With any kind of thought out plan or agenda.
c) In a centralised, coordinated manner (rather than being a load of mixed messages from various Governmental special interest groups).
taffboy gwyrdd
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8ball
a) Competently (the Kid Rock vid seems to bear this out, looks like it's targeted exclusively at mentally slow 14 year olds)
I dont know about exclusively, but not-too-bright young teens will be one of the targets anyway. It's a very competent and slick bit of work indeed. People may scoff becuase it is not to their taste, but It's not aimed at the likes of us.
b) With any kind of thought out plan or agenda.
I refer you to the Bernays quote above. Besides, the idea of propaganda being done without a thought out plan or agenda is absurd.
c) In a centralised, coordinated manner (rather than being a load of mixed messages from various Governmental special interest groups)
Well, someone co-ordinates it. How centralised it is Im not sure but there will be key individuals paid a lot of money for the "responsibility".
a) Competently (the Kid Rock vid seems to bear this out, looks like it's targeted exclusively at mentally slow 14 year olds)
I dont know about exclusively, but not-too-bright young teens will be one of the targets anyway. It's a very competent and slick bit of work indeed. People may scoff becuase it is not to their taste, but It's not aimed at the likes of us.
b) With any kind of thought out plan or agenda.
I refer you to the Bernays quote above. Besides, the idea of propaganda being done without a thought out plan or agenda is absurd.
c) In a centralised, coordinated manner (rather than being a load of mixed messages from various Governmental special interest groups)
Well, someone co-ordinates it. How centralised it is Im not sure but there will be key individuals paid a lot of money for the "responsibility".
taffboy gwyrdd
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I cant divide up quotes of people. It's a nightmare. W8 for the edit if you can be bothered
8ball
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I cant divide up quotes of people. It's a nightmare. W8 for the edit if you can be bothered
Ok.
Anyway, my point is that the manipulation thaty you get from Government, and increasingly from Corporations and business in general, has an agenda at the level of a particular organisation and its aims, but there is no consistent message overall, except maybe one that engenders passivity and an acceptance of the status quo.
I also think the Kid Rock thing is shit, as well as making me feel slightly sick.
winjer
holocene death beat
It's popular among factfree conspiracy fan clubs.
Customers Who Bought Into This Crap Also Ranted About: Bilderberg, Common Purpose, HAARP, chemtrails and the falsifiability of the moonshot.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Not to agree or disagree with you, because it is a complex and blurry issue, have you read "Flat Earth News"?
What you think of the Kid Rock thing doesnt matter, because I doubt very much it's aimed at you. It hits a lot of buttons re music and culture for the target young male audience and is very slick and well produced. If it was genuinelly shit unprofessional work I wouldnt be half as bothered.
taffboy gwyrdd
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winjer
"It's popular among factfree conspiracy fan clubs."
PDD51 and The Defence Authorisation Act are facts though. What do you think of them?
"It's popular among factfree conspiracy fan clubs."
PDD51 and The Defence Authorisation Act are facts though. What do you think of them?
taffboy gwyrdd
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No problem with dictator powers then?
8ball
As seen on TikTok
No, but it does look kind of interesting.
Might stick it on the Amazon list . . .
winjer
holocene death beat
The power to create 'dictator powers' is indistinguishable from having them.
winjer
holocene death beat
No it isn't, it's far too slick and clean-cut to appeal to the target audience. It just might redeem Kid Rock's reputation among the 101st Fighting Keyboarders, but that's it.
This is the sort of thing which appeals to the audience they wish they could reach with that song:
I ain't no rough guy, ain't no tough guy
Don't get out much, and don't dress up fly
A pawn in the game that's all I am
Givin all my duckets to Uncle Sam, fuck it
'Wasting My Time' - Kid Rock
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I'd imagine it'd be political suicide for Pres. Obama to restore the draft, especially given his support base. If anything I can see Selective Service registration dying a well-deserved death during his administration. If the USA gets itself out of Iraq it has no need of conscript armies, which are anyway more trouble than they're worth given the complexities of modern warfare.
FridgeMagnet
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This is the sort of music that, at best, the kids concerned's parents liked.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Anyway, it isn't about how shit the music is and how kids will laugh at it.
The point is that this is propaganda that's about third or fourth hand. Firstly you have explicit statements by the Pentagon and White House. Then you have media commentary on that. Then you have cultural products that ostensibly aren't "news" but are based around certain myths and desired stereotypes - the JAGs and Black Hawk Downs and 24s. And then you end up with this stuff, which is the originators of the whole thing trying to imitate the stereotypes about themselves (though failing here, horribly).
It wouldn't exist without the emergent cultural stuff and its impact is absolutely nothing compared to it. Even pretty good stuff - for instance, America's Army, which mimics militaristic FPSes - makes no real impression overall. It's just being tacked on at the end as an attempt to regain a bit of direct influence, but it can never be anything more than an amusing phenomenon and something for people to blog about, faced with the sheer scale of things produced by people not directly influenced.
The point is that this is propaganda that's about third or fourth hand. Firstly you have explicit statements by the Pentagon and White House. Then you have media commentary on that. Then you have cultural products that ostensibly aren't "news" but are based around certain myths and desired stereotypes - the JAGs and Black Hawk Downs and 24s. And then you end up with this stuff, which is the originators of the whole thing trying to imitate the stereotypes about themselves (though failing here, horribly).
It wouldn't exist without the emergent cultural stuff and its impact is absolutely nothing compared to it. Even pretty good stuff - for instance, America's Army, which mimics militaristic FPSes - makes no real impression overall. It's just being tacked on at the end as an attempt to regain a bit of direct influence, but it can never be anything more than an amusing phenomenon and something for people to blog about, faced with the sheer scale of things produced by people not directly influenced.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Excellent point about the likes of 24, which is nasty, scaremongering, torture-justifying "war on terror" propaganda. JAG is just a legal procedural in navy whites though.
I agree the music videos and so on are insignificant next to cultural support of the armed forces. And so long as that support doesn't tip over into militarism and Blimpish jingoism, I don't have a problem with it. A nation should have regard and admiration for its armed forces and the people putting their lives on the line.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Excellent point about the likes of 24, which is nasty, scaremongering, torture-justifying "war on terror" propaganda. JAG is just a legal procedural in navy whites though.
I agree the music videos and so on are insignificant next to cultural support of the armed forces. And so long as that support doesn't tip over into militarism and Blimpish jingoism, I don't have a problem with it. A nation should have regard and admiration for its armed forces and the people putting their lives on the line.
JAG is pretty blatant; it's all about how, you know, there might be some bad apples, but when it comes to the end of the episode the system produces justice and the bad guys get put away (just like most procedurals tbh) so trust the system. It's hardly the Wire.
I'm sure you can think of a million reasons why a cultural imperative to not question the actions of the military because they need to be RESPECTED might be a bad idea, come off it.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
In artistic terms, JAG isn't in the same hemisphere as The Wire. It's a procedural like Law & Order. (And of much lower quality.) Admittedly some of the post-9/11 episodes verge on propaganda, but the earlier ones were a fairly harmless combination of beefcake lawyers, buxom lawyerettes and cod jurisprudence.
Talking of The Wire, how would you rate Generation Kill in the propaganda stakes?
Of course. I never said the military shouldn't be questioned, merely respected for the sacrifices they make.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I was living in the US and watching US TV 2002-2004 so my opinion of JAG is going to be influenced by that. I've not seen Generation Kill, so I wouldn't want to say anything about it. The thing is, mind you, that something that concentrates on the experiences of US soldiers - even if it says their experiences were shitty and they had been fucked over - can still end up playing up their story vs those of the people that they've been killing. See endless Vietnam bullshit.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Well that's true enough, although that's an unavoidable consequence of a narrative (see endless debates about X war movie not representing X country) that needn't tip over into pro-war propaganda. (And in the case of the Vietnam films, is powerful anti-war propaganda. Unless we're talking Green Berets. )
I mostly saw some of the early seasons of JAG on FX a good while back. Not a good show by any stretch of the imagination, but diverting fluff. Seems it started taking itself way too seriously. (If I remember right they blew one character's leg off!)
) I mostly saw some of the early seasons of JAG on FX a good while back. Not a good show by any stretch of the imagination, but diverting fluff. Seems it started taking itself way too seriously. (If I remember right they blew one character's leg off!)
taffboy gwyrdd
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This is artistically dubious but it is only fair to let an impromptu counter-opinion stand to the original piece.
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-tv-kid-rock-warrior-video/
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-tv-kid-rock-warrior-video/
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