Cheap internet child software protection.

[catch]

I USED TO BE A SECURITY AND INTERNET TECHY FOR A VERY LARGE ISP.

Did you get sacked for leaving caps lock on?

 

[WouldBe]

Are there any free downloads that I can get to stop my son getting on porn sites ?

You already have the equipment. Just handcuff him somewhere away from the computer.

 

[scott_forester]

Not to sound like a Victorian dad by the oldest child's internet activity is logged on the proxy server I've set up - she hasn't figured out yet only being young. If it is so importent to you stump up some cash.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

OK, I will own up as to what happened. We bough the wireless thing and LD Rudeboy very kindly came over some time ago and connected it up. The deal was that our son would be able to use it for homework and hs msn chats with his mates. I would be checking every 2 days or so to see what sites he's been looking at. This was in the middle of September I think, what I didn't bargain for was the fact that he thought it would be fun to have a little look at willies and fannies online when his mates came over this half term. He was sitting there inthe bath the other night and said "******* was looking at porn today" so off I go to the history file and there it is.It's nothing dodgy (ie child porn or violence) but even so I think he's a tad too young to be seeing this. Got the kid across the road to come over (he's just turned 16 and we have known him for years) and he was bricking it in case I told his dad. He owned up to looking up pages, but he said my son told him to do it.
(I wondered why they were so quiet that day, usually they are all yelling and making a noise.)
Turns out he could be right as I checked Monday's history and there was some more on there. It's my fault 100 per cent, I should have known, but I told him that I woud be checking and he has just been silly and betrayed my trust.

 

[Passdout]

Tricky one this. Some kind of supervision is needed to stop kids from viewing unsuitable sites, but I think the level of supervision depends on the child. Supervision can be anything from where the PC is kept (lounge is better than in their bedroom in my opinion) right to software that keeps a log of keystrokes/screen shots taken regularly.

I think whatever you do your kids will try it on from time to time, and thats normal really.

 

[on_the_fly]

Did you get sacked for leaving caps lock on?

Dear god your a funny cunt arnt you.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I USED TO BE A SECURITY AND INTERNET TECHY FOR A VERY LARGE ISP.

I have seen enough of the dark side of the web to know what goes on without your pedantic attempts to start an argument. You aint worth it bud

bullshit - prove it out yourself and the company you used to work for you lying POS

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Or you can install some of that child safe computer stuff (as pointed out by Garf) and rest easy in your bed while your kid by passes the controls if he has any wish to look at the porn you are banning in the first place. What is more you risk moving him from surfing for free pictures of ladies bottoms to nicking the magazines from the corner shop or pushing him from the typically black listed sites into more marginal content where he may stumble upon something even more unpleasant.

nah what's worse clearly is pushing him down the route of looking at ways to get round the surf control by learning how to hack... then you are fucked...

 

[Stobart Stopper]

nah what's worse clearly is pushing him down the route of looking at ways to get round the surf control by learning how to hack... then you are fucked...

That's what I think as well.
I think he's learned his lesson..for now! Being banned from msn on half term week was probably the biggest punishment ever.

Some of the reaction I have had has been surprising to say the least, it's this "shock, horror" thing that gets me. Some of the girls he knows have been using webcams from the age of 10 in msn and they are just left by their parents to get on with it with absolutely no supervision at all.
We check up on him all the time to see what he's up to and who he's talking to.
He will probably would try his best to get around anything we install just to see if he can.
Anyway, as it is he's learned a lesson this week, if we put our trust in him and he breaks it he suffers for it.

 

[spring-peeper]

so you suggest that busy parents should stand behind their child at all times when they're online and monitor every page they view for suitability?

Basically, that is what I do.

The monitor is in the sitting room and can be viewed by anyone taking a quick glance over.

I'm always asking - where are you? who is on line? etc.

Real nosy, me.

It's not really the porn I worry about, though. I'm pretty sure that they have found our tape/video stuff and seem to be watching that

I'm more concerned about them catching a virus and I get stuff cleaning up the mess. They are not allowed downloading without my permission, either.

They often call me over when they find something cool or they are confused about what they have read. Sometimes they will find a site full of propaganda and are proud that they recognized it and pick holes in it.

The internet is here to stay. Just like everything else in life, it's the parents responsibility to teach them to be safe.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

My biggest worry was have they in accidentally logged into child porn links. Would I have the anti-porn unit from the yard knocking on my door.

 

[spring-peeper]

Yes. Parental supervision. No need to "suggest that busy parents should stand behind their child at all times when they're online and monitor every page they view for suitability?" Going through the cache as a family is a good one, too. Even busy parents can benefit from sharing more with their kids. Shut lads away in their bedrooms with TV, games consol and the internet, and you're asking for trouble.

You haven't got kids, have you Dub?

I'm not big on having that stuff in the bedrooms. That's a disaster waiting to happen, imo. Music yes, games - well, if they are sick or have a friend over, internet - NO!!!

I really do like them being on line, though.

My youngest, loves being in Habbo Hotel. He gets all excited when he can talk to kids from around the world. He can do timezones in his head and knows when which country in on line. He was so proud when it was featured on the news.

MSN is great, too. Increases their typing speed

 

[tom k&e]

Child porn isn't something you just accidently come across on the internet, contrary to popular belief. Nor do the police monitor every web site you visit.

TBH, if he can't work out how to delete the history files, or install a seperate browser & set history & cache to zero (those were the days) you shouldn't need to worry about him bypassing web-nanny type software. Or passing any GCSEs.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

That's what I think as well.
I think he's learned his lesson..for now! Being banned from msn on half term week was probably the biggest punishment ever.

Some of the reaction I have had has been surprising to say the least, it's this "shock, horror" thing that gets me. Some of the girls he knows have been using webcams from the age of 10 in msn and they are just left by their parents to get on with it with absolutely no supervision at all.
We check up on him all the time to see what he's up to and who he's talking to.
He will probably would try his best to get around anything we install just to see if he can.
Anyway, as it is he's learned a lesson this week, if we put our trust in him and he breaks it he suffers for it.

that's the best you can do, have you also tried explaining to him about why porn isn't real and the point's about objectifcation of women etc all the usual things which ca be discussed about the pros and cons of porn this might allow him to think about the wider issue and also make him think about...

failing everything else threaten to start doing web porn and buy a cheap web cam ... then he'll never know if he might stumble across it, at that age the very thought of parents shagging is enough to turn him into a monk

 

[EastEnder]

My biggest worry was have they in accidentally logged into child porn links. Would I have the anti-porn unit from the yard knocking on my door.

Like tom k&e said, you don't just stumble across child porn. If you did, people would be reporting it to the rozzers all the time.

From what I've read about investigations into child porn, it's one of the few things on the net that's made very hard to find - subtle invites to sites posted on dodgy forums / chat rooms / etc. And I'd imagine those types of sites are exclusively paid only.

On the positive side, that makes it very hard for perves like Glitter to argue they weren't aware of all the kiddie porn on their PCs - it's just not something you could accidentally find when web surfing.

 

[Pot-Bellied Pig]

Hmmm....I thought you'd recommend some software. Instead it comes down to whether you think Porn is okay and how you bring your kid up. Thanks.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Hmmm....I thought you'd recommend some software. Instead it comes down to whether you think Porn is okay and how you bring your kid up. Thanks.

sorry but we have recommended some software but also pointed out as we would to any client that the software solution does not change the business process ie the way things work...

if you just install a bit of software which gives you piece of mind i guarentee that you kid will find a way round it with in months if not weeks... and then what?

IT isn't a great magicitain which provdes all the answers it's only a tool to provide you with help. with out the correct and suitable process in place to deal with the problem then i'm afraid no about of technology is going to help the situation...

so ultimatly in this case although you can get some tools which will help you what you aren't going to get is a surefire peace of mind your kids isn't going to look at porn on the net solution.

 

[spring-peeper]

Hmmm....I thought you'd recommend some software. Instead it comes down to whether you think Porn is okay and how you bring your kid up. Thanks.

You can't escape from porn, it's every where. imo, television is the worse offender.

Do you censor his television watching? Doubtful.

You have to talk to the child and bring him up with your values, open the lines of communication.

If you make it tabboo, he will find a way around it. Remember when you were young?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Child porn isn't something you just accidently come across on the internet, contrary to popular belief

that is 90% true i have once or twice seen that stuff posted on some of the more dubiuos websites but even then it is quickly removed and the person banned. and the sites i was on are certainly not child frendly anyhow

 

[toggle]

Hmmm....I thought you'd recommend some software. Instead it comes down to whether you think Porn is okay and how you bring your kid up. Thanks.

because that is the way it is.

i don't think that it is possible to stop a reasonably smart, reasonably computer savvy kid who has friends from getting porn. You can put in place all the filters you, like, but that wont stop what he sees at friends houses, it won't stop them trading disks or magazines.

The best thing you can do imo, is look at how exposure to porn affects the kid. don't just have a go at them for looking at it, be willing to discuss with them what they have seen so it dosen't disturb them and affect their views on adult relationships.

my opinion is to have the net acccess in a public area of the house. embarasment about being seen looking at it by mum will be more effective than any net nanny program. You will know when your kid is mature enough to have less fettered access.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

When the other kids found out he was grounded, they all came round to see what had happened, I overheard him saying "She's grounded me cos I looked at some porn on the internet"
I heard one of mates say "Cool, man!"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Teenagers are porn-seeking missiles. It's only natural. The only thing to do is try to restrict access so that they don't get some weird fucked-up idea of what sex is about. There's no point in thinking that you've utterly failed if they get a look at a nipple.

In a year's time they'll all be sending porn to each other on their phones.

 

[scott_forester]

Teenagers are porn-seeking missiles. It's only natural. The only thing to do is try to restrict access so that they don't get some weird fucked-up idea of what sex is about. There's no point in thinking that you've utterly failed if they get a look at a nipple.

In a year's time they'll all be sending porn to each other on their phones.

I'm pretty sure porn is one of the first things most males look for then they are first exposed to the net.

 

[toggle]

I'm pretty sure porn is one of the first things most males look for then they are first exposed to the net.

only males?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

There is not really anything that you can do to stop kids getting access to porn or anything else that they want to see. If you download net nanny type software of the most effective kind with all the bells and whistles but their friends parents are more lax than you then all they have to do is get their friends to send email attachments of the images they have access to. Net nanny type software does not catch email attachments.

Education is the only answer. The people who produce porn just want your money. You have to choose between buying or not buying. Kids are naturally curious and this is a good thing. If they can look at what people see as porn without spending money then maybe they will not get sucked into spending money on it.

The real worry is of kids being 'groomed' into agreeing to meet people who will take advanage of them. Once again education is the answer to this. If they know that there are dodgy people out there then they can protct themselves. This is the point. They have to have the knowledge to protect themselves. The parents won't always be there when there is danger.

Hocus Eye

 

[LostNotFound]

my parents strategically positioned our first "family" computer in an open area of the lounge. didn't stop me finding porn and having the occasional slywank though.