Charles Manson dead

[RainbowTown]

That's him told

 

[Sprocket.]

Allegedly Manson’s followers turned up at Polanski’s house thinking that record producer Terry Melcher(Doris Day’s son) still lived there.
Manson held Melcher responsible for his (Manson) failure in the music business. Sharon Tate and her friends died a horrendous death.
Some of his songs sound like a cross between America, the Byrds and Crosby, Stills and Nash. I wonder if he had success, would he have achieved the ‘fame’ he did by persuading disaffected kids to kill.

 

[extra dry]

well a very long lasting one for sure - in terms of the way people born way after it happened know about it through films, books, documentaries & its influence on the culture. How many biographies of CM are there + other general books ? Its similar to Brady & Hindley in that respect.

And oddy when you express your ideas/views on here it will remain forever. Yet I ve never killed anyone or been responsible for someones death.
The brutal snake pit prison system of the 1950's, childhood tramour/englect, substance abuse, and other factors proberly psycosis/socopathic created what manson grew into.

 

[twentythreedom]

Allegedly Manson and his followers turned up at Polanski’s house thinking that record producer Terry Melchett (Doris Day’s son) still lived there.
Manson held Melchett responsible for his (Manson) failure in the music business. Sharon Tate and her friends died a horrendous death.
Some of his songs sound like a cross between America, the Byrds and Crosby, Stills and Nash. I wonder if he had success, would he have achieved the ‘fame’ he did by persuading disaffected kids to kill.

No, he wouldn't have

 

[josef1878]

Altamont was the sort of anti-Woodstock with drug & booze fuelled violence running out of control

And a dog wandering across the stage as Jagger pleaded with the 'cats' to end the violence

 

[Treacle Toes]

Allegedly Manson and his followers turned up at ....

By all accounts I have heard Manson was not present when the murders took place.

 

[belboid]

By all accounts I have heard Manson was not present when the murders took place.

Quite right. He gave the order to go and told the women to follow Tex Watson’s instructions.

 

[Sprocket.]

By all accounts I have heard Manson was not present when the murders took place.

He wasn’t, he sent the acolytes in he wasn’t at Polanskis on the night of the killings. But he had visited the house when Terry Melcher lived there.
He had tied the victims up at another location before sending his killers in ‘to finish the job’.
I have edited my previous post and removed the superfluous ‘and his’

 

[Sprocket.]

I do recall one of the tutors at Mexborough Technical college, reading grisly excerpts from Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter out to us in General studies around the autumn of 1974 and him being thrillled by it. The result being we all thought and told him he wasn’t right in the head.

 

[Pickman's model]

Allegedly Manson’s followers turned up at Polanski’s house thinking that record producer Terry Melcher(Doris Day’s son) still lived there.
Manson held Melcher responsible for his (Manson) failure in the music business. Sharon Tate and her friends died a horrendous death.
Some of his songs sound like a cross between America, the Byrds and Crosby, Stills and Nash. I wonder if he had success, would he have achieved the ‘fame’ he did by persuading disaffected kids to kill.

might have persuaded more of them to kill people through secret messages in the music

 

[William of Walworth]

Some very dark stuff in Alex Petridis' Guardian piece today about how Manson's crimes -- or more to the point all the stories/publicity about them -- influenced pop (musicians/bands/culture) ...

 

[Sprocket.]

In Steve McQueen's autobiography he mentions that on the night of Sharon Tate and friends murder, LA's finest were all over Hollywood calling at the houses of the rich and famous to check all was okay.
He said thousands of dollars worth of drugs were flushed down toilets when the police started hammering on doors.

 

[belboid]

In Steve McQueen's autobiography he mentions that on the night of Sharon Tate and friends murder, LA's finest were all over Hollywood calling at the houses of the rich and famous to check all was okay.
He said thousands of dollars worth of drugs were flushed down toilets when the police started hammering on doors.

They were initially thought to be drug related killings, the cops had very little idea who the Manson’s were

 

[Yossarian]

I hadn't realised it took almost four months to make arrests in the case, must have been an unnerving time in LA - especially since the LAPD said a week after the killings that the Tate and LaBianca murders were unrelated. Also didn't know that they were only caught because Susan Atkins blabbed to her cellmates after being arrested in connection with a different murder...

 

[Yossarian]

Manson was shorter than I expected - at 5"3', he could have been in a room with Tom Cruise, Michael J. Fox, and Napoleon and still been the short one.

 

[Archimage]

On a side note, I once met some of the Manson family. They were here visiting Manson in prison, and camping out. I had some LSD I traded them for some magic mushrooms they called purple people eaters. I live in Inyo county, where they were first arrested.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

What were they like? What did you talk about?

 

[hot air baboon]

"the family" sort of continued as ATWA

ATWA - Wikipedia

 

[Pickman's model]

What were they like? What did you talk about?

drugs from the sounds of things

 

[Yossarian]

On a side note, I once met some of the Manson family. They were here visiting Manson in prison, and camping out. I had some LSD I traded them for some magic mushrooms they called purple people eaters. I live in Inyo county, where they were first arrested.

I don't think I'd be brave enough to melt my mind with the Manson magic mushrooms, I'd worry that the Family would start making sense.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think I'd be brave enough to melt my mind with the Manson magic mushrooms, I'd worry that the Family would start making sense.

by now they should have mellowed a bit

 

[hot air baboon]

the Manson madness of course (maybe) touched these shores bitd - Talgarth Road to be exact & the suspicous suicide of a certain Joel Pugh

Despite being consumed with the caseload of the Tate-Labianca case, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi was alarmed by the details of Pugh’s death, and would later add it to the list of deaths that he felt could be attributed to the Manson Family. District attorney Stephen Kay, privy to all the data flying around in Manson Family case files at that time, recalled an atmosphere of deep suspicion once news of Joel’s death made its way back to Los Angeles. With Pugh’s past association with Sandra Good; the likelihood of Bruce Davis being in the UK at the time, and, not least, the circumstances of his death, Kay, was wholly sceptical of the suicide verdict. He still is.


CHARLES MANSON AND JOEL PUGH- THE FACTS

 

[The Pale King]

I think Bugliosi also fingers Manson as the likely murderer of both Gary Hinman and Donald 'Shorty' Shea, so probably not the case that he never killed anyone personally.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think Bugliosi also fingers Manson as the likely murderer of both Gary Hinman and Donald 'Shorty' Shea, so probably not the case that he never killed anyone personally.

yeh. well, he would, wouldn't he? bugliosi had a horse in that race.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Some very dark stuff in Alex Petridis' Guardian piece today about how Manson's crimes -- or more to the point all the stories/publicity about them -- influenced pop (musicians/bands/culture) ...

I thought that was quite good, and especially liked the Trent Reznor bit at the end.

Petridis, as a Throbbing Gristle fan, is a bit too generous to Genesis P-Orridge when he says:

Genesis P-Orridge and Psychic TV’s obsession with Manson was part of a wider interest in the power structures of cults and their similarity to the relationship between artist and fan;

I think that's true, but there was also a fair amount of posturing and trying to look spooky too:

Which has not aged well.

P-Orridge has fared slightly better than American noise narcissist Boyd Rice who actively campaigned for Manson's release:

Rice and neofolk stiff right armer Michael Moynihan (Blood Axis) were mates with neo-nazi (like, an actual card carrying member of the American Nazi Party) James Mason who worshiped Manson:

Who Makes the Nazis?: Michael Moynihan's Seige Mentality

 

[Pickman's model]

if you are going to posture and try and look scary you could try rather harder than the man on the left, or second from right. or yer man with the clean boots on. they're not even making the child nervous for fuck's sake.

 

[Pickman's model]

neo-nazi (like, an actual card carrying member of the American Nazi Party) James Mason who worshiped Manson:

Who Makes the Nazis?: Michael Moynihan's Seige Mentality

not james mason out of cross of iron

 

[The Pale King]

yeh. well, he would, wouldn't he? bugliosi had a horse in that race.

He did indeed, but I found the case he made quite convincing.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

if you are going to posture and try and look scary you could try rather harder than the man on the left, or second from right. or yer man with the clean boots on. they're not even making the child nervous for fuck's sake.

Good point, how about this:

 

[Pickman's model]

Good point, how about this:

ian huntley could pass for second from right



tbh fozzie, they all look a bit clean and the brand new t-shirts don't create a bad-boy manson atmosphere