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Charles Manson dead
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Altamont was another nail, I reckon.
Fozzie Bear
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And the general failure of peace and love to stop the Vietnam war. And the drugs wearing off.
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Saoirse don Phalaistín!
I had a soft spot for the hippies that I met in the 80s. Just ordinary folk who believed in change and were swept up in the times. It's easy now, I guess to dismiss them as naive and/or useless but there were some who's hearts were in the right place.
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i think you'll find that was altamont
hot air baboon
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Altamont was the sort of anti-Woodstock with drug & booze fuelled violence running out of control but surely the Mansonoid apparently random & motiveless home invasions & the terror that spread, the cold blooded utter brutality of the killings had more of an impact on the national & intrnational psyche than Meredith Hunter's unfortunate demise
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Exactly. Altamont was a factor, but that was just one dude killed at a festival by hells angels. Manson and his crew killed people in their Hollywood homes, which was far more shocking and high profile.
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right. from what you're saying it affected the people who weren't hippies more than the people who were.
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yeh never mind marty balin getting beaten unconscious in the middle of a jefferson airplane set. it was only one dude killed by hells angels.
elbows
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Those that were may have been more affected by the Haight-Ashbury epicentre imploding so quickly.
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Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Balin was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as were the Manson family victims, but the Manson story had a far more sinister undertone and a wider effect.
hot air baboon
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yes, that's quite possibly true. I think the orginal "scene" was regarded as dead by the cognoscenti almost as soon as it became a media thing in 1967 prompting hordes of the lost, hopeless & helpless to turn-up in San Francsico followed by predatory packs of the most appalling low-lifes :
‘Death of the Hippies’: Haight-Ashbury’s 1967 funeral for counterculture
With the classic Psychedelic Shop set to close, store owner Ron Thelin led a mini-movement to throw a proper “Death of the Hippies” funeral and three-day celebration ending Oct. 6, 1967.
“The festivities as usual will be unplanned and freewheeling,” the hippie spokesman told The Chronicle, “but will culminate Sunday with a funeral procession complete with a symbolic casket to be borne through the Haight-Ashbury.”
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thank you for the picture of the event mentioned in my #43yes, that's quite possibly true. I think the orginal "scene" was regarded as dead by the cognoscenti almost as soon as it became a media thing in 1967 prompting hordes of the lost, hopeless & helpless to turn-up in San Francsico followed by predatory packs of the most appalling low-lifes :
‘Death of the Hippies’: Haight-Ashbury’s 1967 funeral for counterculture
With the classic Psychedelic Shop set to close, store owner Ron Thelin led a mini-movement to throw a proper “Death of the Hippies” funeral and three-day celebration ending Oct. 6, 1967.
“The festivities as usual will be unplanned and freewheeling,” the hippie spokesman told The Chronicle, “but will culminate Sunday with a funeral procession complete with a symbolic casket to be borne through the Haight-Ashbury.”
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balin was lead singer of the band performing at the time he was beaten unconscious. he was where he was supposed to be. where else would the right place for him to be have been?
elbows
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The seeds of Haight-Ashbury's destruction and some reasons why many people who care about political activism came to hate hippies are already well apparent in this Hunter S Thompson piece from 1967.
The "Hashbury" Is the Capital of the Hippies
The "Hashbury" Is the Capital of the Hippies
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They were at home having their tea - watching eastenders. Your telling sounds pretty callous. They were clearly targeted as PIGS - part of wider group of them.
What impact on the national and international psyche do you think these murders had?
hot air baboon
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well a very long lasting one for sure - in terms of the way people born way after it happened know about it through films, books, documentaries & its influence on the culture. How many biographies of CM are there + other general books ? Its similar to Brady & Hindley in that respect.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bay city rollers prob has more - is that a mark on the national and international psyche? It must mean more than just people knowing about it surely or else it's just one of those remember punks docs on bbc4. There must be evidence of a mark at least.
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yeh, polanski's consistently more linked with the rape case than his wife getting butchered by kill-crazy cultists
Fozzie Bear
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I am (thankfully) not a crime expert but I don't think the Manson Family killings have had much resonance at all except for a brief moral panic. They've not been replicated through copycat killings. People generally are not in fear of hippy cults.
Americans have enough to worry about through lone wolf serial killers, people who shoot up high schools, Islamist nutjobs - and cops.
Americans have enough to worry about through lone wolf serial killers, people who shoot up high schools, Islamist nutjobs - and cops.
hot air baboon
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isn't the theory that after RFK was taken out of the picture, Nixon was able to lead the political backlash - the whole law & order / war on drugs stuff of which the Manson media circus was very much part of the background
Nixon Calls Manson Guilty, Later Withdraws Remark
By ROBERT B. SEMPLEAUG. 4, 1970
WASHINGTON, Aug. 3— President Nixon asserted today that Charles Manson, a hippie cultist now on trial in California, “was guilty, directly or indirectly, of eight murders without reason.”
Launching into a long anecdote, he said he had seen movie called “Chisum” starring John Wayne, last weekend at his private residence in San Clemente. He called it “basically another Western,” and he said he got to thinking afterward about the long popularity of Westerns as an art form. The answer, he later concluded. was that Westerns carry simple but durable moral mes sage:
“The good guys come out ahead in the Westerns; the bad guys lose.”
Yet in modern times, he complained, the situation appears to have been reversed. The newspapers, he said, give heavy play to the exploits of criminals, and young people “tend to glorify and to make heroes out of those who engage in criminal activities.”
As an illustration. Mr. Nixon cited the case of Manson, which has received heavy front‐page play in the Los Angeles news papers since the trial opened recently. Then the President made his comment about. Manson being guilty and being treated as a glamorous figure.
Nixon Calls Manson Guilty, Later Withdraws Remark
By ROBERT B. SEMPLEAUG. 4, 1970
WASHINGTON, Aug. 3— President Nixon asserted today that Charles Manson, a hippie cultist now on trial in California, “was guilty, directly or indirectly, of eight murders without reason.”
Launching into a long anecdote, he said he had seen movie called “Chisum” starring John Wayne, last weekend at his private residence in San Clemente. He called it “basically another Western,” and he said he got to thinking afterward about the long popularity of Westerns as an art form. The answer, he later concluded. was that Westerns carry simple but durable moral mes sage:
“The good guys come out ahead in the Westerns; the bad guys lose.”
Yet in modern times, he complained, the situation appears to have been reversed. The newspapers, he said, give heavy play to the exploits of criminals, and young people “tend to glorify and to make heroes out of those who engage in criminal activities.”
As an illustration. Mr. Nixon cited the case of Manson, which has received heavy front‐page play in the Los Angeles news papers since the trial opened recently. Then the President made his comment about. Manson being guilty and being treated as a glamorous figure.
hot air baboon
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I'd argue they have resonated insofar as it still remains a powerful story people keep coming back to - there was the Aquarius tv series, & the mooted Tarantino picture.
I'm also sure there remained & remains a huge bloc of public opinion against any idea of parole for any of the perps
RainbowTown
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Anybody who has seen the death pictures of the Tate/LaBianco massacre will know just what a warped, twisted individual this person was (ditto his 'followers').
Bye Bye Charlie.
May you rot in Hell.
Bye Bye Charlie.
May you rot in Hell.
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That's him told
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