psycherelic
I'm not an old hippy!
subversplat said:
aye that's ussually my attitude, always worked for me
Charity Muggers...do they harm the reputation of charities?
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aye that's ussually my attitude, always worked for me
brixtonvilla
should be Oslovilla, really
Fucking hate them on principle & (politely) avoid them whenever possible.
streeturchin
hmmm
BEARBOT said:streeturchin do you have any tips on how i can make myself invisable to chuggers?
look like you're about to top yrself and ur willing to take them down with you.
always works for me
regarding the citizens advice bureau...are they a private organisation?
glad they are getting the funds they need to operate WITHOUT using chuggers..it seems to be quite a good charity!
they have really helped a friend of mine get out of a mess concerning housing benefit jerking him around..
as far as targeting kids to get their parents to buy the "product"(aka sign a DD)...fantastic tactic! VERY ethical that one, seemed to work for macdonalds for many years too
streeturchin i do look alienated with the world but not enough for the chuggers
my next tactic will be to start using my old discman more when out and about to block em out
glad they are getting the funds they need to operate WITHOUT using chuggers..it seems to be quite a good charity!they have really helped a friend of mine get out of a mess concerning housing benefit jerking him around..
as far as targeting kids to get their parents to buy the "product"(aka sign a DD)...fantastic tactic! VERY ethical that one, seemed to work for macdonalds for many years too
streeturchin i do look alienated with the world but not enough for the chuggers
my next tactic will be to start using my old discman more when out and about to block em outMost Charities are incredibly shit. Loads have shares in Arms companies, Most pay their chief execs etc loads of money. Loads are based in expensive central london HQs..
The money people give to the chuggers helps make private companies and individuals rich...
Some Charities are not too bad but most are just plain shit....
The money people give to the chuggers helps make private companies and individuals rich...
Some Charities are not too bad but most are just plain shit....
chooch said:
Charities are shit...
How many pay huge sums to theri bosses and how many have shares in Arms companies? How many have needlessly expensive HQs in Central London?
Have you seen the HQ of Water Aid,How many more people could have clean Water if they moved from the Banks of the Thames to the Riverside in Stoke?
You obviously being very knowledgeable about charities will have answers to all these questions....
chio said:I didn't know that, but it does make sense. Always seems to be the girls who are doing it who accost me while the blokes leave me alone. I'm with the people who think they're really irritating, they're almost on a level with the scallies in cheap suits shouting "you 'ad an accident in t'last three years?" and getting arsey when you ignore them. The main shopping street in Manchester is like running the gauntlet these days
or those monotone motherfuckers going "invite jesus christ into your life"
They should be approaching the corporate companies and the government not people who by large are just too poor to be contributing.
TBH charities seem like a gateway for really rich people to look publicly moral and saintly even thought their buisness scams don't even come close to making up for the charitable donations they give.
Like the charity at my local hospital for blood transfusion pumps, friggin hell, the government should be spending less on war blowing up innocent people for resources and spending more on the NHS, and not giving the public money which is supposed to be spent on the NHS to private contractors/private companies/bloody leeches, then charity money to upkeep services is just like another tax if poor people put money into it, or just a momentary feel good factor from the crap that you see around you
TBH charities seem like a gateway for really rich people to look publicly moral and saintly even thought their buisness scams don't even come close to making up for the charitable donations they give.
Like the charity at my local hospital for blood transfusion pumps, friggin hell, the government should be spending less on war blowing up innocent people for resources and spending more on the NHS, and not giving the public money which is supposed to be spent on the NHS to private contractors/private companies/bloody leeches, then charity money to upkeep services is just like another tax if poor people put money into it, or just a momentary feel good factor from the crap that you see around you
dolly's gal
killing things
clmk said:
shit, with ideas like these you should really be thinking about a career in fundraising! consultancy perhaps? you could charge a fortune!
amazing, i wonder why charities have never thought about doing this before??
chegrimandi
associated with adultery
there a lot of ill informed bull shit on this thread I've not got the time or inclination to put right.
Suffice to say fundraising on the street is still an extremely successful and profitable way of recruiting new people into giving to charities and boosting much needed funds.
It's not very hard to say no to these people - get a grip. Just say clearly 'my bank account does not support direct debits' - you will only need to do this if you're incapable of walking past someone on the street without stopping to talk to them which seems quite unlikely.
Suffice to say fundraising on the street is still an extremely successful and profitable way of recruiting new people into giving to charities and boosting much needed funds.
It's not very hard to say no to these people - get a grip. Just say clearly 'my bank account does not support direct debits' - you will only need to do this if you're incapable of walking past someone on the street without stopping to talk to them which seems quite unlikely.
dolly's gal
killing things
chegrimandi said:
standing by my man. what he said, basically
did training for a call centre in london that basically raised money for charity & not for profit organisations
clients included red cross, oxfam, NSPCC etc... loads of big names
thing is they were employing loads of temps - paying them 6-7 per hour (so no doubt the agencys were getting a lot more) & the scripts were dodgy IMO
the training was a joke - the trainer kept saying stuff like 'its not sales etc.. then waffle on about what were clearly sales techniques' - of course there were minimum targets to 'ensure the charity was getting good value for money' - more like to ensure the call centre makes a good profit
the scripts basically followed a pattern whereby the caller would mention briefly that they were 'calling on behalf of XYZ charity' & that they were being paid a flat fee to make the call (well the caller might be earning a flat fee but the call centre seemed to be getting paid per DD they got for the charity) then the rest of the pitch turned into giving the impression that the caller actually worked for the charity 'so you see the work we do at xyz is very important etc...'
we were basically asked to ask for something silly like 10 per month, then if we got an objection there would be another bit of waffle & pleading then an ask for 5 per month "thats only 20p per day" etc... - if no then a bit more waffle & ask for a one off donation or 2 per month
we were also told that even if they say at the start they are unemployed/retired/a student etc.. then to carry on with the script but remember that point when you do the ask i.e. just say "now I do realise you said you were unemployed & have no money but we are only asking for x ammoung & that is only y ammount per day - an ammount like this could allow us to do XYZ in africa etc.. do you think you could help us at all etc..etc..."
was all rather dodgy IMO so I sacked it off after the training - lots of charitys these days seem to be more like big businesses and I don't think they are doing themsleves any favours in the long term by employing these tele marketing companies or street collectors
clients included red cross, oxfam, NSPCC etc... loads of big names
thing is they were employing loads of temps - paying them 6-7 per hour (so no doubt the agencys were getting a lot more) & the scripts were dodgy IMO
the training was a joke - the trainer kept saying stuff like 'its not sales etc.. then waffle on about what were clearly sales techniques' - of course there were minimum targets to 'ensure the charity was getting good value for money' - more like to ensure the call centre makes a good profit
the scripts basically followed a pattern whereby the caller would mention briefly that they were 'calling on behalf of XYZ charity' & that they were being paid a flat fee to make the call (well the caller might be earning a flat fee but the call centre seemed to be getting paid per DD they got for the charity) then the rest of the pitch turned into giving the impression that the caller actually worked for the charity 'so you see the work we do at xyz is very important etc...'
we were basically asked to ask for something silly like 10 per month, then if we got an objection there would be another bit of waffle & pleading then an ask for 5 per month "thats only 20p per day" etc... - if no then a bit more waffle & ask for a one off donation or 2 per month
we were also told that even if they say at the start they are unemployed/retired/a student etc.. then to carry on with the script but remember that point when you do the ask i.e. just say "now I do realise you said you were unemployed & have no money but we are only asking for x ammoung & that is only y ammount per day - an ammount like this could allow us to do XYZ in africa etc.. do you think you could help us at all etc..etc..."
was all rather dodgy IMO so I sacked it off after the training - lots of charitys these days seem to be more like big businesses and I don't think they are doing themsleves any favours in the long term by employing these tele marketing companies or street collectors
I don't really know what people expect charities to do - do you expect them all to be run out of a portacabin by people doing it for the love of it, sending a few old dears out with a collecting tin, or sticking an advert in the sunday papers?
I'm no great fan of the 'big business' charities by any means, but realistically, aggressive marketing is all around us persuading us to part with our cash in pursuit of a lifestyle dream - how are charities supposed to compete? Is it really surprising that charities are raising their game - 'if you can't beat them, join them'?
I'm happier to have someone trying to twist my arm to give a few quid to Oxfam than be affronted by a 50ft Nike billboard, say.
I'm no great fan of the 'big business' charities by any means, but realistically, aggressive marketing is all around us persuading us to part with our cash in pursuit of a lifestyle dream - how are charities supposed to compete? Is it really surprising that charities are raising their game - 'if you can't beat them, join them'?
I'm happier to have someone trying to twist my arm to give a few quid to Oxfam than be affronted by a 50ft Nike billboard, say.
BEARBOT said:streeturchin do you have any tips on how i can make myself invisable to chuggers?
i find a glare always works.
or if they start movign towards you and doing their speil, do the glare and say "sorry mate, i'm in a rush"
if you still get caught by them, when they say "don't you care about XYZ"
a nice polite "no, not really" works wonders.
one of my little fantasies that i have is off all these chuggers rushing to work ot get the best charities in the morning:
"waht have you got today, keith?"
"i've got cute puppy dogs and kittens in war torn and drought affected countries"
"ooh, you lucky bastard, i've got Help the Aged"
dolly's gal said:shit, with ideas like these you should really be thinking about a career in fundraising! consultancy perhaps? you could charge a fortune!
amazing, i wonder why charities have never thought about doing this before??
I just don't think they should be bothering the public but going for companies, there's no point being sarcastic, and yes companies are ungiving organisations but there's public pressure, where would companies be if they're workers fucked off and went on strike? and sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so lay off
Edit I did the london triathlon trying to raise money for my local hospital and i felt bloody guilty asking poor people for money which I know they couldn't really afford to lose. So in some ways I don't think charity oragnisations should be asking the financially disadvantaged public for anything seeing as the powerful multinationals have so much money just a peanut from them could solve a lot of cash crises in a lot of charity organisations.
With a more focused effort at targeting private companies who are, yes, tight but with enough pressure and enough public support for the sake of image i think there's potential for charities to be supported that way
subversplat
writer of wrongs
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fogbat
The Talibum
tbaldwin said:
You ridiculous, shitty, half-witted little twat.
Shiteloads of charities regularly perform miracles despite having trouble making ends meet.
The fact that a few big ones seem more like businesses does absolutely nothing to invalidate this.
Fuck off until you get the slightest smidgen of a clue, you nasty little troll.
fogbat said:You ridiculous, shitty, half-witted little twat.
Shiteloads of charities regularly perform miracles despite having trouble making ends meet.
The fact that a few big ones seem more like businesses does absolutely nothing to invalidate this.
Fuck off until you get the slightest smidgen of a clue, you nasty little troll.
agreed, my hospital charity didn't have an office at all, it was just one dr raising money for his department, and he had to make a separate account on it so the hospital trustees couldn't get their greedy grubbly little hands on it,
tbaldwin said:
that's quite an inflammatory comment, I'd be willing to respect it if you showed me the evidence
fogbat said:You ridiculous, shitty, half-witted little twat.
Shiteloads of charities regularly perform miracles despite having trouble making ends meet.
The fact that a few big ones seem more like businesses does absolutely nothing to invalidate this.
Fuck off until you get the slightest smidgen of a clue, you nasty little troll.
177,000 charities how does that work thenbigbrain...Let me tell you it works like this a load of parasites competing against each other making up statistics to show how much there needed and what good work there doing....
How much do you know about charities then????
A few charities are OK but the majority are far from OK and that includes small local ones and national and international ones....
I was well proud of my 12 yr old son who told me that his school had chosen Cancer Research as its charity to collect money for.. He persuaded them not to...Saying "my Dads got Cancer and he hates them cos they just waste loads of money and all the peopleon his ward hate them too" Brilliant boy....
there is some truth in what he is saying
from: http://www.ngomedia.org.uk/artman/publish/article_214.shtml
but that certainly isn't the case for all charities & there are certainly some advantages to charities investing in dodgy companies - for example WWF & BP:
from: http://society.guardian.co.uk/charityfinance/story/0,8150,955121,00.html
from: http://www.ngomedia.org.uk/artman/publish/article_214.shtml
but that certainly isn't the case for all charities & there are certainly some advantages to charities investing in dodgy companies - for example WWF & BP:
from: http://society.guardian.co.uk/charityfinance/story/0,8150,955121,00.html
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