charisma - is it dead?
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The Black Hand
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we kno we hasnt got it but it seems lik ehe has got it charisma smooching crawlin gwhatever
charisma is usually manufactured - ablity intelligence and depth is not despite efforts by the daliy heil to say its non readers are geneticlly inferior
charisma is usually manufactured - ablity intelligence and depth is not despite efforts by the daliy heil to say its non readers are geneticlly inferior
erm...Yeah wouldnt they make a great job of running the country.....
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
They wouldn't necessarily be able to govern, but they would certainly be able to take a quizzical view and impart their unique style of acerbic comment on current affairs. Which is what maybe people want in this crazy mixed up world we live in.
Steve Booth
Bourgeois apologist
Cult of superficial and cult of ugliness
[searches for dictionary ]"A favour specially vouchsafed by God; a grace, a talent." [Shorter Oxford English Dictionary] Supplement -"A gift of power of leadership or authority 1947."
I seem to remember Max Weber on different types of leadership. [from a footnote: Charisma is a Sociological term coined by Weber. It refers to the quality of leadership which appeals to non rational motives.] The charismatic type of leadership seemed to me to apply to Adolf Hitler. So Bliar and Thatcher probably fall into the same category.
I cannot understand why people were ever taken in by Blair. He was always shallow and in October 1994 scrapped Clause 4 which should've utterly finished him in the minds of all right thinking people.
This charisma thing seems to me to be all the glossy facade and no content. It's in line with this cult of ugliness there is everywhere. I'm trying to collect examples of this, but you can see it all around, vandalism, pollution, modern architecture. They've lost contact with, or sense of the aesthetic. But its kind of strange because what people on here seem to be saying is that they actually like the empty shop window dummies like Blair.
Yes I agree. But it really depends what you mean by 'charisma'.
[searches for dictionary ]"A favour specially vouchsafed by God; a grace, a talent." [Shorter Oxford English Dictionary] Supplement -"A gift of power of leadership or authority 1947."
I seem to remember Max Weber on different types of leadership. [from a footnote: Charisma is a Sociological term coined by Weber. It refers to the quality of leadership which appeals to non rational motives.] The charismatic type of leadership seemed to me to apply to Adolf Hitler. So Bliar and Thatcher probably fall into the same category.
I cannot understand why people were ever taken in by Blair. He was always shallow and in October 1994 scrapped Clause 4 which should've utterly finished him in the minds of all right thinking people.
This charisma thing seems to me to be all the glossy facade and no content. It's in line with this cult of ugliness there is everywhere. I'm trying to collect examples of this, but you can see it all around, vandalism, pollution, modern architecture. They've lost contact with, or sense of the aesthetic. But its kind of strange because what people on here seem to be saying is that they actually like the empty shop window dummies like Blair.
yeh well some of them are toynbe apologists so what ya expext
Steve Booth
Bourgeois apologist
Along with this cult of ugliness and loss of the sense of the aesthetic, there is also a kind of creative exhaustion - why is there so much about 'Dad's Army' on TV? - It was made back in the 1960s and early 1970s so it's 40 years old. People looking backwards not forwards.
I can't understand why people go for the superficial plastic facade operators like Bliar and Cameron, but the impression I get is that some posters on here seem to think the politicians have to have this 'charisma'. Must public image allways trump the policies?
I can't understand why people go for the superficial plastic facade operators like Bliar and Cameron, but the impression I get is that some posters on here seem to think the politicians have to have this 'charisma'. Must public image allways trump the policies?
Boris Johnson
Mo Mowlam had charisma
Bob Marshall Andrews
Ken Clarke always has charisma when i hear him interviewed on the radio
a large section of the Tories saw something they liked in Heseltine
Blair has something of that there is no doubt, his whole 'queen of hearts' speech when Diana carked it got a lot of people.
i agree with Untethered about charisma in leaders. When i think of the best people i have worked for they have all had that bit of 'spark' to get you going.
Mo Mowlam had charisma
Bob Marshall Andrews
Ken Clarke always has charisma when i hear him interviewed on the radio
a large section of the Tories saw something they liked in Heseltine
Blair has something of that there is no doubt, his whole 'queen of hearts' speech when Diana carked it got a lot of people.
i agree with Untethered about charisma in leaders. When i think of the best people i have worked for they have all had that bit of 'spark' to get you going.
how is recognizing people have charisma 'looking up to them?'
also without charisma all of those people you listed would be fucked, being entertainers and performers.
dunno about Chris Morris either, never seen him interviewed or anything, just performing.
agree fully on the others.
also to fully engage with the vast majority of people in this country a political party needs an engaging front man otherwise they are fucked.
see Labour in the 80s, Tories in the late 90s.
it's all well and good to want some academic political thinker leading your party but it'll never win votes these days. Which is why so many in the Labour Party put up with Blair, cos they wanted power, not bitching on the sidelines for another load of years.
see Labour in the 80s, Tories in the late 90s.
it's all well and good to want some academic political thinker leading your party but it'll never win votes these days. Which is why so many in the Labour Party put up with Blair, cos they wanted power, not bitching on the sidelines for another load of years.
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