I think the Gaza thread is being used to discuss all sorts of shit st once and I wondered whether we could have a discussion on what sort of state Israel is and why? There is a view that it is fascist or in the process of becoming fascist, which seems to be backed up by an increasing climate of censorship and extreme racism. There's also a view that it's just as bad as any other colonial country and is not really different to any of them, which is also true if you look what happened to the native Americans etc. Or is it something entirely new altogether? Anyway I thought I would start this thread and see if we could leave the other thread for discussion of what's happening in Gaza?