Channel 4-What Really Happened in Gaza

[denniseagle]

You clearly haven't explored the origins of this or any similar conflict...have you?[/QUOTE

Evidence please, you have made a statement based on what precisely?
A number of posts on an open web forum from someone you have absolutely no knowledge of.

You know my age and where I am presently living , want to GUESS at my race? nationality? educational qualifications? present employment, PREVIOUS employment, experiences.......................

Should I use the same sort of parameters towards you I COULD surmise that you are so blinkered in your way of thinking that you are incapable of rational thought.

Four legs good two legs bad.


I do note that the very simple question I asked has been sidestepped in the usual way, attack the poster rather than the post.


Care to attempt an answer if I ask again?
Feel free laptop and newme to join in seeing as you also sidestepped such a simple question.

Was it the intention of those who launched whatever form of munition/projectile towards Israel to kill or maim Israeli citizens?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You seem to be on the wrong thread. Unless there is some sort of argument that you are trying to make there. In which case you should perhaps make it a bit more explicit.

 

[nino_savatte]

You clearly haven't explored the origins of this or any similar conflict...have you?[/QUOTE

Evidence please, you have made a statement based on what precisely?
A number of posts on an open web forum from someone you have absolutely no knowledge of.

You know my age and where I am presently living , want to GUESS at my race? nationality? educational qualifications? present employment, PREVIOUS employment, experiences.......................

Should I use the same sort of parameters towards you I COULD surmise that you are so blinkered in your way of thinking that you are incapable of rational thought.

Four legs good two legs bad.


I do note that the very simple question I asked has been sidestepped in the usual way, attack the poster rather than the post.


Care to attempt an answer if I ask again?
Feel free laptop and newme to join in seeing as you also sidestepped such a simple question.

Was it the intention of those who launched whatever form of munition/projectile towards Israel to kill or maim Israeli citizens?

Have you been drinking? Genuine question.

 

[tangentlama]

What really happened in Gaza?
They Gazans bought, with donated EU and private benefactor money, the greenhouses. The settlers who sold them were horrified on their return to smooth the handover (they had been training up Gazans to run them) that the IDF had turned off the water supply to the greenhouses and the produce had rotted so the Gazans had no produce to eat or sell and no water to irrigate them and the settlers who sold the greenhouses were upset about that, as were the Gazans. Greenhouse after greenhouse of rotted, parched produce. Both sides appealed (settler-owners and Gazans) but IDF/Israeli govt. refused to allow water to the greenhouses.

"After months of intense negotiations recently culminating in a deal allowing for the transfer of Gaza's high-tech Jewish greenhouses to the Palestinians, several former Jewish residents who briefly returned to their farms told WND they were shocked to find most of their produce has died because Israel turned off the water in the area.
"I couldn't believe it. Almost all of my crops are dead, and the rest is dying," Anita Tucker, one of the settler-farmers of Jewish Gaza told WND. "I hope the Palestinians aren't expecting fresh produce. ... A fortune in crops is now all gone."
The greenhouse deal, reached just days before the Gaza evacuation, sold the area hot houses for about $14 million to the Economic Cooperation Foundation, an international fund which in turn will transfer the structures to the Palestinians. The foundation consists mostly of private capital, including a personal $500,000 donation by James Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president who is a special Middle East envoy for the "quartet" of the U.S., the United Nations, the European Union and Russia. About one-quarter of Gaza's Jewish greenhouses were previously dismantled and moved to new communities in Israel by their owners. The foundation deal reportedly covers the majority of the remaining hothouses. The first payment to the former settler-farmers of Jewish Gaza was transferred this weekend to a committee working on their behalf. A final payment will be made later this month, a member of the greenhouse negotiating team told WND. But several Jewish Gaza settlers who were allowed to briefly return to their hothouses said most of the produce currently inside is now dead. Tucker, who owns large structures, said her hothouses were set to be watered by automatic irrigation systems.
"The sprinkler systems didn't work because Israel stupidly turned off the water after the Gaza withdrawal," said Tucker. "All my work, down the drain." A former resident of Jewish Gaza's Ganei Tal farming community who asked his name be withheld said, "Most of the greenhouses in Ganei Tal are dried up. This better not effect our payment because it's not our fault Israel turned off the water."

http://www. worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46011


BBC News website via Alan Johnston misreported this as:

The Palestinians and international donors invested millions of dollars in an effort to put some of the greenhouses the settlers left behind back into operation.

But the potentially lucrative market garden venture collapsed because it was impossible to export produce fast enough.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5281714.stm

Alan Johnston isn't as good a reporter as I thought he was. He doesn't tell the whole of the truth - what's his game?

 

[extra dry]

http://video.google.com/videosearch Dispatches gaza

you will find the program here...for those of us who missed it or need to see it again.

 

[ymu]

BBC News website via Alan Johnston misreported this as: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5281714.stm

Alan Johnston isn't as good a reporter as I thought he was. He doesn't tell the whole of the truth - what's his game?

He may not have known about the water being cut-off from those greenhouses - the news has only just emerged, 2 years after that report.

Israel has been allowing Gaza's produce to rot at the border for years. I don't think he's wrong to point out that Gazan businesses are being strangled by such policies.

 

[tangentlama]

Why are you making excuses for Alan Johnston, ymu? The news emerged in August 2005. Johnston's report was in August 2006.

 

[ymu]

Why are you making excuses for Alan Johnston, ymu? The news emerged in August 2005. Johnston's report was in August 2006.

Sorry - missed the date on the other report.

I'm not making excuses for him - but it's not like he was claiming that the market gardening never got off the ground because Palestinians were too incompetent to get it going, he states that it's because they can't export the stuff. But then again, he doesn't make it clear that this is because the IDF routinely delay the export of perishable goods until they're no good, so fair point.

I've never had a particularly high opinion of Alan Johnston - his ME coverage has been pretty mediocre, but then that's the BBC all over. It's hard to know how much is down to the individual journos and how much is the editors.

 

[Corax]

I do note that the very simple question I asked has been sidestepped in the usual way, attack the poster rather than the post.

Dude, your question's been ignored because it itself ignores many basic and public facts about the conflict that have already been discussed ad nauseam. UTFSE.

 

[Dr Jon]

Once You See What Truly Happened in Gaza, it Will Change You Forever

On March 7, I will return to Gaza with a large international delegation, bringing aid but more importantly, pressuring the Israeli, U.S. and Egyptian governments to open the borders and lift the siege. Many members of the delegation are Jews. We will travel in the spirit of tikkun olam, repairing the world, but with a heavy sense of responsibility, shame and yes, compassion. We will never be able to bring back to life the little girl buried in the rubble. But we can-and will--hold her in our hearts as we bring a message from America and a growing number of American Jews: To Gaza, With Love.

For information about joining the trip to Gaza, contact [email protected].