Champion Hill: Proposed Ground Redevelopment

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Fingers, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    If it's the same footprint as last time, substantial goal end terracing is impossible. The site is just barely larger than a pitch.
     
  2. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It looks shit and totally unsuitable for a club with such huge - and fast growing - attendances.
     
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  3. bkbk

    bkbk Well-Known Member

    Our defence is all over the place there so you certainly cant fault their realism.
     
  4. Pink Panther

    Pink Panther Well-Known Member

    Looks like Billericay are groundsharing with us as they're in their home kit and we're in all pink. It also appears that both sides are kicking the same way.
     
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  5. Son of Roy

    Son of Roy Thinks Gavin Rose is great

    That is because there is only half a pitch and only one goal. Using a neutral goal keeper both teams have to try and score in the same goal. Headers and volleys only. It's just been agreed by the National league to help clubs reduce costs. You don't need your own goal keeper anymore (sorry Preston) and clubs that ground share can put a fence along the half way line. Well it is April 1st!
     
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  6. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    It looks suspiciously like it's been designed by T.May Architects doesn't it. Turned down...just try again.
     
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  7. Cat Daisy

    Cat Daisy Active Member

    So does it now meet the National League requirement of having potential to accommodate 5000 (& the more immediate requirement of more than 3000) along with better lines of sight, cover, seating, etc?
     
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  8. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    I know its one illustration BUT the ground looks worse every time I see a new version :(
     
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  9. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    I think it would be a lovely ground for a modestly supported team three of four divisions below. But it's a bag o'shite for us. Too small, with nowhere near enough terracing and covered areas to give fans a decent day out, and fuck all room to grow.
     
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  10. pompeydunc

    pompeydunc Well-Known Member

    Where are these designs that you have seen? I can't see any yet...
     
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  11. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    I must have dreamt the whole thing and the amazing designs with four covered stands around the 7,000 capacity ground are coming right up.
     
  12. Lucy Fur

    Lucy Fur Well-Known Member

    They're just ticking boxes aren't they,

    "We've reached out to the local community twice and given them ample opportunity to inform us of what works best for all parties...blah blah bloody blah."

    Its arse.
     
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  13. Cat Daisy

    Cat Daisy Active Member

    So where is our "shopping list" so we can demonstrate how far apart the two visions are?
     
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  14. pompeydunc

    pompeydunc Well-Known Member

    DHST did a consultation on the first plans in 2014. Paperwork below. I sent this to the specified email address after the latest consultation, and to the stadium consultant that was present. I didn't get a response - not that I was necessarily expecting one. I hope some of these issues have been picked up though, and we will see some proper flesh on the bones shortly. I won't hold my breath, but equally won't be damning a stadium when the actual designs are not public yet.

    http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140901-response-to-Hadley-consultation.pdf

    http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140829-Annex-A-word-cloud.pdf

    http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140829-Annex-B-further-comments.pdf
     
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  15. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    Good luck with stance. Because developers.
     
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  16. Pink Panther

    Pink Panther Well-Known Member

    I would suggest minimum Football League standard, or at the very least minimum National Division standard with potential to be easily upgraded to the former. We had 3,300 for last year's promotion play-off final at Tooting; had that match been played in Dulwich at a ground big/good enough you could have added another 1,000 to that figure. We're already pulling 3,000+ for bog standard league matches against the likes of Bath and Billericay while we're at the wrong end of the table. That could easily be 4,000+ in the near future if we're playing a relatively local club with big travelling support and both teams are pushing for promotion. Even if we never reach the Football League I believe we need that level of capacity.

    We need 1,000 seats, proper terraces, more cover for a start. Meadow will offer us as little as they can, because they're ruthless capitalists and anything more will erode their end profit. Our club (led by the directors, backed by the club committee, supporters trust and everyone else) will need to play tough and push hard to get what we need.

    It's hard to see how we can get this if the new ground is at right angles to the current one, given the MOL issue. It would need the new ground to have the same east-west alignment as the current one (a possibility that was floated by the directors at the supporters' forum at the end of January) effectively shuntiing the ground around 70 yards to the west, overlapping around one third of the current pitch. Of course this would mean Meadow having to accept a smaller housing development and a less massive profit.
     
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  17. Matt The Cab

    Matt The Cab Live it like you love it

    Extremely telling. On any development they’ll make huge profits, they just want more while seemingly being perceived as a community caring business.
     
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  18. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    I don't think they give a fuck about being perceived as a community caring business tbh. They'll cough up what they have to and nothing more - it's all about leverage really.
     
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  19. Cat Daisy

    Cat Daisy Active Member

    Thanks for these. Don't imagine the principles will have changed much over time but maybe some of the Annex B scores will have gone up (espec around Detailed Design)

    Yeah, this sounds like the right stuff ... and we are getting numbers that exceed some league clubs already!
     
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  20. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    With Meadow in charge we will only ever get something smaller in footprint and at best the same capacity as what we have now.
    Anyone who thinks we will get a bigger or better ground than what we have now is sadly dreaming IMO.
     
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  21. Nivag

    Nivag Well-Known Member

    It won't be fit for purpose of the same size or smaller.
     
  22. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Agreed, or at least they'll try and avoid it as much as possible. I think the question really has to be 'what will get them planning permission'? If they propose something with no chance then we need to worry about what happens next. If they propose something with a chance but not fit for purpose what do we do? Organise against?
     
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  23. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    Exactly, it is feasible that they could put in a plan that meets all the planning requirements legally and is acceptable with the council but give us a small ground that is completely useless to us.
     
  24. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

  25. Christian Burt

    Christian Burt Well-Known Member

    They seem to have sneaked in Crystal Palace badges into the design??!
     
  26. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    village-kitchen.jpg

    The computer generated images look exactly the same (i.e. shit with no cover behind the goals) so is there any point?
     
  27. crocustim

    crocustim Well-Known Member

    This is because the majority ground will be shifted onto Metropolitan Open Land. MOL, like green belt, is treated like it is a landscape or ecological designation . It isn’t. And then you get stupid restrictions like not being able to cover the ends. Politicians’ fault IMHO.
     
  28. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    Developers fault for coming up with such a fucking stupid proposal, surely?
     
  29. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Or not being able to build football grounds at all.

    Although I'm not sure I'd call that a stupid restriction tbh.
     
  30. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    Have you seen the amount of room they have left in the south east corner to get around the pitch!? Tiny dangerous bottle neck.
    These designs are totally unacceptable to an Sunday league team let alone a National League South team.
    Plus terrace only along about 2/3rds behind south end goal.
     

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