Champion Hill: Proposed Ground Redevelopment

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Fingers, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Villager

    Villager New Member

    Obviously I am not suggesting that. And I have edited my post to reflect that.
     
  2. Villager

    Villager New Member

    No I wish I knew why the Council is doing this now.
     
  3. Fingers

    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

  4. G Man

    G Man Formerly of hard hat fame

    I need to take a week off work to read all of this.
     
  5. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

  6. Lucy Fur

    Lucy Fur Well-Known Member

    Brilliant news, and well done to all that represented us, but what does this actually mean? Is it just a statement of good but hollow intent or an actual commitment to fiscal support?
     
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  7. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    In truth, I'd say nobody knows...but it's got to be a good sign, and puts pressure on the American arm of Meadows to sort things out, I would have thought.

    In the meantime...we desperately need the continued support for the "12th Man" fundraising, to keep the team together in the immediate future.
     
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  8. Lucy Fur

    Lucy Fur Well-Known Member

    Agreed
     
  9. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Agreed too.

    Those of us who were able to stay to the end of the Council Assembly ended up having a chat with Peter John and other Councillors. I have no doubt at all of his genuine commitment (and that of other Councillors) to help and support the club.

    How that might manifest itself in practical terms is not entirely clear yet because the situation with Meadow, and other related issues, are complicated. The key thing I think, for now, is that the club and its future will be in the front and centre of any considerations the Council may have when deciding on how best to proceed.
     
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  10. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    I'd think the main thing the council can do to help is make clear that they will never, ever get planning permission to build on the land should the football club fold. I don't know if they can make any formal commitment to that effect but I think that's what we should be pushing for. I wouldn't necessarily expect direct funding but that would be potentially more important IMO.
     
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  11. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    I suspect such a public statement would cause the council a world of pain ( you need legal grounds to block a planning application and councillors can be held personally liable under some circumstances.) Also any councillor supporting such a statement would probably be disqualified from dealing with any future planning application on the grounds they had previously expressed an opinion.

    The council can unofficially make this clear to developers. Out my way I hear whispers the local council told developers hoping to build on the then Alton Town FC ground they wouldn't get permission for anything if the club weren't looked after.

    The other route is for the council to review their policies and see if any can be tightened up to help give them legal grounds to block future development on the current ground.
     
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  12. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    But I, for one, would welcome the right development built on our current ground if the end result was new, modern, purpose-built community ground on the Greendale wasteland.
     
  13. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Southwark is nearing the end of the process to update the New Southwark Plan which describes in some detail what is and isn’t permissible across the borough. In the latest version the football pitch and surrounding facilities are defined and protected in their current form.
     
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  14. Roger D

    Roger D Well-Known Member

    Such action from the council wouldn't necessarily block that. It gives the Council stronger legal grounds for blocking development they aren't happy with.

    Given the serious possibility that Meadow could land bank the ground at the end of the lease, I'd be happy to see protection reviewed as part of the local plan re-assessment. That level of protection in the local plan is very important in what may loom.

    Failure to have an adequate local plan is seriously good news for developers.
     
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  15. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Here is the latest version. See pp208-209 and the final bullet point on p204:
    https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/5294/NSP CAR Appendix A(i) NSP Policies.pdf
     
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  16. JoeBoy1959

    JoeBoy1959 New Member

    Anyone know what's happening re stadium and Meadow.
     
  17. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    see Chelsea FC are asking Hammersmith & Fulham Council to CPO a small property in order that they can redevelop Stamford Bridge and "protect the future of the club on the present site"
    Islington did similar for Arsenal

    The court case starts next week
     
  18. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

    What’s this to do with the Champion Hill development?
     
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  19. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    maybe if the Council can help secure the long term future of Chelsea via cpo
    so can Southwark
     
  20. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    TRANSLATION

    New home for Altona 93!

    After the stadium marienthal and the barmbeker Anfield, the next traditional sports venue is passed.

    The AFC in a press release:
    " with a supplementary agreement on the contract of sale on the Adolf Jäger-Kampfbahn, Altona in 93, together with the altona spar and bauverein, and the behrendt group, opened the way for the move of youth and sport - new premises in the area of diebsteich / Klaipėda Allee. This also creates the conditions for the construction of more than 300 apartments on the site of today's Adolf Jäger-kampfbahn.",
     
  21. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Yes, this has been on the cards for a long time, with a new ground in the Altona area for Altona 93.

    I'm surprised it's taken this long, they could have left the current ground before now...
     
  22. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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  23. Anyone know about the fencing recently erected at the back of the ground. No access to the back turnstile (not that it was used much!). Also no access to the astroturf pitch at the back.
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  24. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Absolutely no idea. It's certainly nothing to do with the Football Club. If that's on land that our landlords control then Chris Taylor, chris@dulwichhamletfc.co.uk , would be your first port of call for information.
    It might be-total guesswork-some planned Southwark Council work connected to the cycle path/route that goes along there from Greendale?
     
  25. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

  26. Nivag

    Nivag Well-Known Member

    That wasn't there on Thursday when I walked past to sainsburys.
    They had locked the astroturf pitch with padlock a few weeks ago but a gap in the fence meant people still had access to walk their dogs on it.
     
  27. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    The land to the right, from the Dog Kennel Hill end, as in the roadway, is Meadows land. The football to the left, as in the footpath is Council.

    I understand the fencing has been put in place by our ground owners to prevent any access to Greendale, as the Council may want to do remedial work of some sort on it, and this will block council/ contractors getting access this way...

    Happy to stand corrected if this is wrong.
     
  28. Pink Panther

    Pink Panther Well-Known Member

    What a bunch of obnoxious anti-social wankers. I would think the council could open up the fence on the far side of Greendale and gain access via the wide cycle/footpath if they really need to.

    Has the lease on the astroturf expired yet, i.e. the one that wasn't renewed earlier this season?
     
  29. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Meadow Residential, or whatever company name they use, no longer control the concrete pitch that has a very worn astroturf that was laid down in 1992, but never replaced by our various leaseholders!
     
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  30. The temporary fencing by the ground has been too easily dismantled by people and is to be replaced by a more robust 'Mexican Wall'.
    I believe it was Chris Taylor who I saw dismantling the fence.
    The lovely Meadow are determined to block access to the council owned Astroturf pitch.
     

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