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Champion Hill: Proposed Ground Redevelopment

Dulwich Mishi

Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!
R.I.P.
No, I don't think a non-members poll would work..as this is a poll for members of the Supporters Trust to decide if they want their organisation to support the development or not.

It is fair to say, though, that not all fans are members of the Trust, by a long chalk. A membership of just over three hundred-and growing all the time, which is excellent-but therefore only representative of about a quarter or so of Hamlet fans. And by the very nature of a Trust a number of those will not go to games for a variety of reasons, or not even be Hamlet fans per se.

This is not a vote on the development, or whether it goes ahead, as I understand as it is a vote by the members of the Trust to see if they want their body to back it or not.
 

AndyDHFC

Well-Known Member
So will the Trust Board be making a recommendation when sending out the ballot? A comment elsewhere gave me the impression not.
 

Jimbob73

The Wanley Road Massive
Hi all, any idea when we might see the latest plans and when the Trust is going to poll the members (oh err missus) on them?
 

blueheaven

Well-Known Member
  1. Good on Hamlet regular Maxwell
    @SimonHughes no offence Simon, but it was idiotic of you to go down to Champion Hill and campaign against the proposed development
    1. Maxwell ‏@Maxw_ll
      @SimonHughes I say this as a fellow Lib Dem btw. You achieved nothing. Just perpetuated further people's disillusionment with our party.
They're claiming to be against the new ground because it will be "smaller". What actually is the planned capacity for the new ground? The Champion Hill development website doesn't seem to mention that anywhere.
 

Dulwich Mishi

Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!
R.I.P.
The new ground has a proposed LARGER capacity, but a smaller overall footprint, I believe. The leaflet stated that many of our fans are against the new ground. Funny that...because I think I'll have spoken to far more fans than the Lib Dem candidate & Simon Hughes will and that is NOT the feedback I have got.
And it's ironic that Hughes wants us to stay at Champion Hill...for back when the current ground was planned, he TOTALLY OPPOSED that...if he had his way back then there would be no current ground and NO DULWICH HAMLET FOOTBALL CLUB TODAY.
 

Jimbob73

The Wanley Road Massive
I was at the game Saturday and didn't see any leaflets, has anyone got one they could post here or message me with it?
 

Dulwich Mishi

Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!
R.I.P.
The headline was:

Ben Maitland says:
Keep the Pink & Blues winning here

Then a mugshot of him with someone else holding a scarf above their heads in front of the main entrance.

The flyer started off with (the bit that is relevant to us):

Like many supporters of Dulwich Hamlet FC, Ben is concerned about plans to build on its pitch and move it to a smaller alternative nearby.
Green Dale, a five-acre plus patch of much-loved open space, is under threat. "Our community needs affordable homes, but property developers and the council must work with residents to find solutions rather than imposing them on us.
What about listening to suggestion of building homes above Sainsbury, for example? Green space and our local football club is too precious to sell out," said Ben Maitland.

I won't comment, as a member of the Trust Board, we must wait until after the poll of our members to do so.
 

blueheaven

Well-Known Member
The headline was:

Ben Maitland says:
Keep the Pink & Blues winning here

Then a mugshot of him with someone else holding a scarf above their heads in front of the main entrance.

The flyer started off with (the bit that is relevant to us):

Like many supporters of Dulwich Hamlet FC, Ben is concerned about plans to build on its pitch and move it to a smaller alternative nearby.
Green Dale, a five-acre plus patch of much-loved open space, is under threat. "Our community needs affordable homes, but property developers and the council must work with residents to find solutions rather than imposing them on us.
What about listening to suggestion of building homes above Sainsbury, for example? Green space and our local football club is too precious to sell out," said Ben Maitland.

I won't comment, as a member of the Trust Board, we must wait until after the poll of our members to do so.
Does anyone else find this really weird? I don't get what his point is. Why would a supporter of the club not want the club to move to a better stadium with better facilities?

I asked him on Twitter what his reasoning was and he said "we want the club to be able to grow – not shunted onto smaller ground that wouldn’t be suitable for current crowds". I've asked him where he's heard that the capacity will be smaller but he hasn't responded.
 

Dulwich Mishi

Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!
R.I.P.
Um, probably because he hasn't checked his facts...I wonder if he even spoke to the owners?
 

Monkeygrinder's Organ

Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Does anyone else find this really weird? I don't get what his point is. Why would a supporter of the club not want the club to move to a better stadium with better facilities?

I asked him on Twitter what his reasoning was and he said "we want the club to be able to grow – not shunted onto smaller ground that wouldn’t be suitable for current crowds". I've asked him where he's heard that the capacity will be smaller but he hasn't responded.
Ask him if it turns out the plans are that the ground will be bigger will he change his stance. He'll probably dodge the question but it can't hurt to ask.
 

PartisanDulwich

Well-Known Member
its all about a Council by-election to be held this month in Camberwell. The LibDems think by winding up the local resident nibbies to oppose building on Green Dale and while spinning it to Hamlet fans as supporting the club because they think somehow we don't want the redevelopment because it would fit their spin (did they ask anyone ?)

In my experience Dulwich Hamlet fans understand only to well the complex issues surrounding the redevelopment the pros cons and wont be taken in by opportunist of a LibDem candidate and an ex MP who haven't every asked fans views and have not shown any interest in the club previously (and after this by-election wont again)

The candidate and ex MP for Bermondsey would have done well to speak to LibDem members who actually come to games, they I note have already taken issue in the strongest terms


such as this tweet regarding the leaflet

@SimonHughes I say this as a fellow Lib Dem btw. You achieved nothing. Just perpetuated further people's disillusionment with our party.

As Mishi has stated Simon Hughes showed no interest in Champion Hill in the really bad days when it looked like the club would close without the Sainsbury's deal - once again he is on the wrong side of history

Stop the spinning now - could even start with an apology - now that would be nice !
 

festa

New Member
Good little video from Sian Berry of the Greens - Unlike the LibDems no hidden agenda, no spin

REALLY?

Exactly the same. The green candidate has said on twitter she is opposed to the new redevelopment.


That video piggybacks on the success of the work the fans, committee and trust have done to say, these people are great we like them so please like us.

Also if they think it is so great that we should take it into fan ownership from a big company, then by opposing the development could potentially stop that from happening.

it's complete spin, just a lot better done that that shit liar dem twat leaflet.

I wonder if any of these people have actually contacted hadley, the trust, committee or club to actually talk properly about it.

I have voted green in the past but this has put me right off.
 
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Pink Panther

Well-Known Member
The new ground has a proposed LARGER capacity, but a smaller overall footprint, I believe. The leaflet stated that many of our fans are against the new ground. Funny that...because I think I'll have spoken to far more fans than the Lib Dem candidate & Simon Hughes will and that is NOT the feedback I have got.
And it's ironic that Hughes wants us to stay at Champion Hill...for back when the current ground was planned, he TOTALLY OPPOSED that...if he had his way back then there would be no current ground and NO DULWICH HAMLET FOOTBALL CLUB TODAY.
Suerly a larger capacity and smaller footprint is more efficient and more environmentally friendly? Saying that "many of our fans are against the new ground" is a bit like saying "millions of people voted Lib Dem at the last General Election". It's irrelevant if the vast majority want something else.

I usually voted Lib Dem until 2010, but I'm so pissed off with their role in propping up the last Tory government, with all it's austerity measures, that I now want a proper left wing socialist government and I'm never likely to vote Lib Dem again. They've become an irrelevance for me now.

With situations like ours the more left wing parties seem susceptible to pressure to oppose any sort of development on environmental grounds, and the more right wing parties are susceptible to pressure from reactionary nimbys wanting to preserve the status quo, drive up the value of their own houses, and prevent the development of potentially busy ameneties that attract outsiders to use them.

The headline was:

Ben Maitland says:
Keep the Pink & Blues winning here

Then a mugshot of him with someone else holding a scarf above their heads in front of the main entrance.

The flyer started off with (the bit that is relevant to us):

Like many supporters of Dulwich Hamlet FC, Ben is concerned about plans to build on its pitch and move it to a smaller alternative nearby.
Green Dale, a five-acre plus patch of much-loved open space, is under threat. "Our community needs affordable homes, but property developers and the council must work with residents to find solutions rather than imposing them on us.
What about listening to suggestion of building homes above Sainsbury, for example? Green space and our local football club is too precious to sell out," said Ben Maitland.
Is he actually a Hamlet supporter? Has he been to our matches on a reasonably regular basis? Did he actually watch Saturday's game, which he could have done so for free had he wished?

Greendale isn't a "much loved open space", it's an inaccessable wilderness that can only be entered through a gap in a broken fence, where anyone who has an accident could easily lie unnoticed for days without being found. And as far as I can see Hadley is working with the council and local community to find the best solutions.
 

blueheaven

Well-Known Member
Ask him if it turns out the plans are that the ground will be bigger will he change his stance. He'll probably dodge the question but it can't hurt to ask.
I asked him this and his response was: "Need to make sure that we have a solution that works for whole community - protects long term future of club and MOL."

...so apparently it's now not about the size of the ground at all?
 

PartisanDulwich

Well-Known Member
Festa - I take on board your knowledge of previous tweets

Blueheaven - The LibDem leaflet was always about local "nimbi's" and getting them upset before the by election this month

If not, the LibDems could have issued a leaflet on the future of the club at anytime (better still spoken to those LibDem supporters who actually go to games)

Pure political opportunism of the worst kind and not a good one for Simon Hughes to make his return after a thumping defeat

If LibDems want to back those local residents who oppose all development on Green Dale - they should simply state so
 

Shadsy

New Member
I've been responsible for some of this tweeting to the candidates, as I live in the ward. And have had the chance to speak to the Tory and LD (who I don't actually believe is a "supporter", just someone who has lived nearby. He certainly didn't claim to have ever actually gone before.)

In summary, it looks like the Tory is the only one prepared to straightforwardly support the club's current plans. I told him he ought to make something of that as it could undoubtedly win him some votes from people who'd never normally consider it.

It's a shame we don't have these DHST poll results (has it happened yet?) as, whilst I believe the majority of fans support the proposal, we only have anecdotal evidence to back that up. In fact, had I known about this by-election in advance, I might have suggested we put up a candidate. Not that I think there would be any chance of winning (Labour are near certainties) but it would have helped raise the issue.

Anyway, there's a hustings at the Albrighton centre on Thursday evening, so I'll go and try to bring it up. If anyone else here lives in the ward and can make it, that would all help.
 

festa

New Member
Pure political opportunism of the worst kind and not a good one for Simon Hughes to make his return after a thumping defeat

If LibDems want to back those local residents who oppose all development on Green Dale - they should simply state so
As should the greens!

I've been responsible for some of this tweeting to the candidates, as I live in the ward. And have had the chance to speak to the Tory and LD (who I don't actually believe is a "supporter", just someone who has lived nearby. He certainly didn't claim to have ever actually gone before.)

In summary, it looks like the Tory is the only one prepared to straightforwardly support the club's current plans. I told him he ought to make something of that as it could undoubtedly win him some votes from people who'd never normally consider it.

It's a shame we don't have these DHST poll results (has it happened yet?) as, whilst I believe the majority of fans support the proposal, we only have anecdotal evidence to back that up. In fact, had I known about this by-election in advance, I might have suggested we put up a candidate. Not that I think there would be any chance of winning (Labour are near certainties) but it would have helped raise the issue.

Anyway, there's a hustings at the Albrighton centre on Thursday evening, so I'll go and try to bring it up. If anyone else here lives in the ward and can make it, that would all help.
Just to make it worse the Tories support the proposal's, I feel like the Tories are just trolling me.
 

PartisanDulwich

Well-Known Member
LibDems accuse Hadley (from above link)

James Barber, Liberal Democrat councillor for East Dulwich said:

"It is tragic that the developer who bought the club and ground speculatively is now blackmailing our community over the future of Dulwich Hamlet"

and

"Liberal Democrat candidate for South Camberwell Ben Maitland joins Sir Simon Hughes at DHFC's recent fundraising match"



FUNDRAISING MATCH !!!!!


OBVIOUS LIBDEMS DON'T CARE OR UNDERSTAND ABOUT NON-LEAGUE FOOTBALL OR OUR CLUB
 

PartisanDulwich

Well-Known Member
Lib Dem Councillor wants to give us a lecture on his parties views
Dulwich hamlet fans "need to understand"
FXXK RIGHT OFF

Think we are all aware of the issues and hurdles we have to cross - but LibDems are really spinning this one and worse trying to lecture us...as if we don't know anything and just naive fools

all to try and gain a hand full of votes in a by election

James Barber ‏@CllrJamesBarber LibDem
@DulwichHamletFC No. The fans need to understand building on MOL as proposed is an extraordinary ask.
 
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