Chambers, Ohuruogu and how to aviod drug testers

[scifisam]

Her excuse at the time was a combination of stupidity, oversight, and poor time management. To be a world class athlete and Uni graduate requires organisation and awareness. Her excuse played on folk knowing little about her.

Nah. I have a couple of post-grad degrees, and I still find it difficult to organise my life and be on time for things. Paperwork is something that strikes terror into me, and I did even forget an exam once. Being able to write an essay about corpus linguistics does not necessarily mean you're an efficient organiser.

 

[scifisam]

Well, the Olympic Medical Institute, Northwick Park Hospital springs to mind:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/nov/27/athletics.drugsinsport

What did you mean about my 'grasp of the basics' exactly?

That article makes it sound like you can't actually, as was claimed, let them know of a change in schedule up to a minute before the test is supposed to take place.

 

[Diamond]

Small final point borrowed from someone else.

Those who are quoting Victor Conte and his associates...would you not think that they have something of a bias when it comes to opinions on clean athletes?

 

[Jazzz]

That article makes it sound like you can't actually, as was claimed, let them know of a change in schedule up to a minute before the test is supposed to take place.

Until the athlete is notified about the test, surely?

I don't understand why she didn't have a crack at making the test, to get from Mile End to Northwick Park inside an hour is not impossible either by car or public transport (I remember some journalist tried it, and succeeded both times). What's to lose?

 

[London_Calling]

Well, the Olympic Medical Institute, Northwick Park Hospital springs to mind:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/nov/27/athletics.drugsinsport

What did you mean about my 'grasp of the basics' exactly?

The athletes don't go to "testing centres". You've got the wrong end of the stick from that article. In fact, the way she describes it in that article is misleading.

If you read post #3 in this thread, you'll understand she uses the gym at that Institute and told the testers she would be there at the time they turned up - except she wasn't.

There are no testing centres.

 

[London_Calling]

That article makes it sound like you can't actually, as was claimed, let them know of a change in schedule up to a minute before the test is supposed to take place.

Yep, it's misleading as hell. She's an interesting lady, isn't she.

 

[Jessiedog]

Until the athlete is notified about the test, surely?

I don't understand why she didn't have a crack at making the test, to get from Mile End to Northwick Park inside an hour is not impossible either by car or public transport (I remember some journalist tried it, and succeeded both times). What's to lose?

You can't imagine a single reason why she might have wanted not to be tested that day?


Really?


Go on. Think.





If she had wanted to be tested she could simply have been where she should have been when she said she would be there.

Every single other athlete managed it - only she didn't and was banned for a doping violation.


Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

This support for the proven doping violator Ohuruogu and for others who have not undergone accredtied O-O-S testing is astonishing.

Really the triumph of hope over experience.

Unbelievable!





Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

Until the athlete is notified about the test, surely?

I don't understand why she didn't have a crack at making the test, to get from Mile End to Northwick Park inside an hour is not impossible either by car or public transport (I remember some journalist tried it, and succeeded both times). What's to lose?

Look.


It's not rocket science.


You prepare a three-month diary as to where you will be over the next three months - you give it to the testers. Then you get up each morning and you look at your diary and you go to where you planned to be that day. If, after looking at your diary one morning, you change your plans for that day (or any day in the future,) you simply call the testers and let them know that your location for the day has changed and advise them of the new location. You can call them up to one minute beforehand and let them know.


Now.


The system has been in place for some time, everybody understands how it works and everyone has a system in place to make sure that they comply - they'd be crazy not to, given the consequences.


All she had to do was give them a call and say "I won't be going up to Harrow today, I'm gonna stay at home and complete and article I'm writing.


She didn't make the call.


This happened three times in an 18 month period.


Why did she not inform them of her whereabouts with a simple phone call? She new where she was and she knew she was not where she was supposed to be and she knew that she should make a quick phone call to let them know.

She didn't!

Three times!


Of all the more than 300 British olympic athletes, she was the only one who could not manage this routine.


I'm no fucking organised bod, but I can look in my diary in the morning, see where it tewlls me to be and call someone if I won't be there.

She, apparently, can't.



Woof

 

[Flashman]

Again can I suggest the passionate anti-doping protesters visit the thread about proven druggies, where your vociferousness would possibly be more at home, rather than chanting the same mantra, finding the odd article on the internet which also happens to chant the same mantra, about Christine Ohuruogu.

"Eyeballs out" on speculation of what may or may not have happened three years ago to one woman is making it look like a witch hunt, and you a lynch mob, it's not pretty.

Supposition, conjecture, speculation.

Direct it at the actual cheats eh?

 

[Jessiedog]

Direct it at the actual cheats eh?

She has a proven doping violation.



Woof

 

[Flashman]

She missed three tests and was punished. Served her sentence so to speak.

This isn't China Jessie, we're not going to lock her up forever because a few people feel like it.

 

[Barking_Mad]

She missed three tests and was punished. Served her sentence so to speak.

This isn't China Jessie, we're not going to lock her up forever because a few people feel like it.

who said it was like China?

 

[Flashman]

Jessie is in China, complains (quite rightly) about the regime there but is ready to ban all the winners (not just Ohuruogu) because "everybody's doin' it doin' it doin' it" apparently, even when there's no evidence to suggest that.

The irony amused me.

 

[Jessiedog]

Jessie is in China, complains (quite rightly) about the regime there but is ready to ban all the winners (not just Ohuruogu) because "everybody's doin' it doin' it doin' it" apparently, even when there's no evidence to suggest that.

The irony amused me.

Liar.



Woof

 

[Flashman]

Liar.



Woof

You're out of order there.

But hey, what else could one expect.

 

[Jessiedog]

You're out of order there.

But hey, what else could one expect.

You lied.




Woof

 

[Flashman]

No.

You've gone mad.

 

[scifisam]

Until the athlete is notified about the test, surely?

I don't understand why she didn't have a crack at making the test, to get from Mile End to Northwick Park inside an hour is not impossible either by car or public transport (I remember some journalist tried it, and succeeded both times). What's to lose?

Yup. I'd have thought it'd be worth the cost of a taxi ride, even, if that would be quicker. If she called from halfway there and told the tester how far away she was, it'd be a very mean tester who wouldn't wait ten or fifteen minutes longer (and she'd have a very good case for saying she'd tried hard not to miss the test). But maybe that article isn't telling the whole story.

Yep, it's misleading as hell. She's an interesting lady, isn't she.

Wait, so you're saying the athletes can let the testers know of a change of location at the last minute? Surely that would mean that the tester would have to come down to Mile End? In which case that quote in the article, about the tester refusing to come to Mile End, wouldn't be misleading, it'd be an outright lie.

 

[London_Calling]

Yup. I'd have thought it'd be worth the cost of a taxi ride, even, if that would be quicker. If she called from halfway there and told the tester how far away she was, it'd be a very mean tester who wouldn't wait ten or fifteen minutes longer (and she'd have a very good case for saying she'd tried hard not to miss the test). But maybe that article isn't telling the whole story.

The pdf's I've read say the testers wait for an hour after arriving at the location the athlete has given (as where they will be).

Wait, so you're saying the athletes can let the testers know of a change of location at the last minute? Surely that would mean that the tester would have to come down to Mile End? In which case that quote in the article, about the tester refusing to come to Mile End, wouldn't be misleading, it'd be an outright lie.

The tester goes to the location given by the athlete.

Fwiw, the pdf's don't describe a minimum time limit (for when an athlete can change their details), I presume that's intentional and the circs are taken into account. After all, the athlete doesn't know the tester is coming, so should be able to change them close to the actual time (imo).

 

[Jessiedog]

No.

You've gone mad.

Nope.

You lied that I had written something I had not.

Liar.





Woof

 

[Flashman]

It's embarrassing to see you lose it like this Jessie.

 

[Jessiedog]

Yup. I'd have thought it'd be worth the cost of a taxi ride, even, if that would be quicker. If she called from halfway there and told the tester how far away she was, it'd be a very mean tester who wouldn't wait ten or fifteen minutes longer (and she'd have a very good case for saying she'd tried hard not to miss the test). But maybe that article isn't telling the whole story.

She knew the rules and she knew how stringent they are. Every athlete knows the rules and more than 300 managed to comply.

If you read the thread, it will become clear that all she had to do was to call them and say she was staying at home that day and all would have been fine.

She knew damn well that she wasn't where she said she would be and she didn't call.

Why?


She forgot!



Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She forgot.


Riiiiiiight!

Wait, so you're saying the athletes can let the testers know of a change of location at the last minute? Surely that would mean that the tester would have to come down to Mile End? In which case that quote in the article, about the tester refusing to come to Mile End, wouldn't be misleading, it'd be an outright lie.

As long as she calls them before the one hour slot for that day that SHE told them where she'd be, it's fine - even up to the last minute.


She forgot.

THREE TIMES!

Convenient, eh?




Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

It's embarrassing to see you lose it like this Jessie.

Why would I bother what you think?

Liar!




Woof

 

[Flashman]

Yes, and she was punished.

Christ how many more times.

 

[Flashman]

Why would I bother what you think?

Liar!




Woof

You're degenerating rapidly and it's a sad sight to behold.

 

[Jessiedog]

Jessie ..... is ready to ban all the winners (not just Ohuruogu) because "everybody's doin' it doin' it doin' it" apparently, even when there's no evidence to suggest that.

Please quote the post where I said I was "ready to ban all the winners.

You can't, becuase I didn't.


That makes you a liar.


Care to retract and apologise for putting words in my mouth?





Woof

 

[scifisam]

She knew the rules and she knew how stringent they are. Every athlete knows the rules and more than 300 managed to comply.

If you read the thread, it will become clear that all she had to do was to call them and say she was staying at home that day and all would have been fine.

She knew damn well that she wasn't where she said she would be and she didn't call.

Why?


She forgot!



Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She forgot.


Riiiiiiight!





As long as she calls them before the one hour slot for that day that SHE told them where she'd be, it's fine - even up to the last minute.


She forgot.

THREE TIMES!

Convenient, eh?




Woof

That means that she didn't call them at all, so she was making the entire phone conversation up. In that case, I'm surprised nobody's corrected that article.

 

[London_Calling]

Well, you know how 'scatty' she can be.

 

[Jessiedog]

That means that she didn't call them at all, so she was making the entire phone conversation up. In that case, I'm surprised nobody's corrected that article.

They called her to ask why she was not at the location that she had told them she would be.

Woof