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Chambers, Ohuruogu and how to aviod drug testers

Jessiedog said:
And anyway, I fucked off away from the Ra Ra thread, didn't I?

What is this?



Shall we move the "protest zone" to Suburban and tuck it behind the garden shed?


:(


Woof
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Jessie, don't take my comment the wrong way please. :)

I have invited you more than once to talk about the REAL reason I think these games are getting your goat.
 
Rutita1 said:
*looks down at her 3 tier skirt*
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:D


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RA RA RA!


:)


Woof
 
Some of the views of James Lawton - very similar to those I (and others) have expressed here:

Ohuruogu, most of us know, missed three drug tests and offered almost whimsical excuses for failing to respond to requirements which most lovers of athletics agree are absolutely fundamental to some overall credibility returning to the sport.

As the BOA has it in its rule book, missing three drugs tests is not something to be adjudicated upon with reference to the nature of the defendant, and the instincts of the jury on this matter.

It is all spelt out. Missing three drugs tests is not a misdemeanour. It is a fully fledged drugs offence and any swerving from this fact, because, say, Christine Ohuruogu, has a skittish, even eccentric side to her nature along with the intelligence to collect 10 GCSEs, four A levels and a good degree from University College, London, is, in the opinion of some, betraying the whole basis of the war against performance-enhancing drugs.

Apparently, though, it is possible to push this aside for several reasons, one of them, practically speaking, being that Ohuruogu is not some obscure and mediocre shot-putter but a runner who, as she proved so brilliantly last night, is capable of thrilling a television audience of billions across the world.

Another is that there is a strong general perception that Ohuruogu does not do performance drugs. Even CAS – the Court of Arbitration for Sport – voiced that opinion, rather than an evidence-backed judgement, when it resisted her appeal against the year-long ban that ended just in time for her to make an earlier outstanding impact in the World Championships in Japan. CAS said, "There is no suggestion that she is guilty of taking drugs to enhance her performance or otherwise. Indeed, this case can be viewed in all the circumstances as a busy young athlete being forgetful."

How convenient that was for everyone, and especially the British Olympic Committee and how closely aligned to Ohuruogu's view that her offence was no more serious than failing to clock on punctually. "I truly believe that I feel like the system was designed to catch cheats but caught a person with bad time management."
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Rutita1 said:
Jessie, don't take my comment the wrong way please. :)

I have invited you more than once to talk about the REAL reason I think these games are getting your goat.
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The doping thing is probably the main one/one of the main ones, but there are just so many.

:(

Give it time. Give it time.

:mad:


(The real reasonm I'm pissed off, BTW, is 'cos I've been out of work since February and I'm shit scared.)


:)


Woof
 
And this certainly bears repeating.


It is all spelt out. Missing three drugs tests is not a misdemeanour. It is a fully fledged drugs offence and any swerving from this fact, because, say, Christine Ohuruogu, has a skittish, even eccentric side to her nature along with the intelligence to collect 10 GCSEs, four A levels and a good degree from University College, London, is, in the opinion of some, betraying the whole basis of the war against performance-enhancing drugs.
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:(


Woof
 
I have not time for the woman.

It is all spelt out. Missing three drugs tests is not a misdemeanour. It is a fully fledged drugs offence and any swerving from this fact, because, say, Christine Ohuruogu, has a skittish, even eccentric side to her nature along with the intelligence to collect 10 GCSEs, four A levels and a good degree from University College, London, is, in the opinion of some, betraying the whole basis of the war against performance-enhancing drugs.
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This quote (nicked from above) does put things into perspective. i was not aware of her academia. Now I have no sympathy for the woman and the whole affair looks like one big dodge.
 
Homeless Mal said:
I have not time for the woman.



This quote (nicked from above) does put things into perspective. i was not aware of her academia. Now I have no sympathy for the woman and the whole affair looks like one big dodge.
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Put it with her threat to particiapte for Nigeria if she didn't get her way . . . and perhaps we start to see another side to 'Christine'.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
You have no sympathy because she did well at school and uni?
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And we're off again.


Give up your naivety, lbj.

There's no sympathy because she's a doping violator who bucked the system.


Why don't you Ra Ra Ra for something more worthwhile?

Like for human rights in China, maybe - no controversy there.

Woof
 
Homeless Mal said:
Her excuse at the time was a combination of stupidity, oversight, and poor time management. To be a world class athlete and Uni graduate requires organisation and awareness. Her excuse played on folk knowing little about her.
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And as I posted earlier, I know someone (with a first class honours and an MSc) who is just like that. Most definitely not stupidity, just a fallibility when it comes to concentrating on one thing and also remembering to do another, and it is precisely the simple, more routine matter that can be overlooked.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
And as I posted earlier, I know someone (with a first class honours and an MSc) who is just like that. Most definitely not stupidity, just a fallibility when it comes to concentrating on one thing and also remembering to do another.
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Well if your mate missed something that threatened his career and reputation as a future Olympian then we would have something, as opposed to just a random bit of attempted comparison
 
Homeless Mal said:
Well if your mate missed something that threatened his career and reputation as a future Olympian then we would have something, as opposed to just a random bit of attempted comparison
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The point is, academia does not make you more organised or able to deal with the bureaucracy of life. My partner is very tickled by the idea - I'm an "academic" and utterly hopeless (and yes, that includes managing to miss one of my final exams :o).

It doesn't have any bearing either way - but citing her education as a reason to disbelieve her is silly. Having a degree does not make it any easier to use a diary effectively.
 
ymu said:
The point is, academia does not make you more organised or able to deal with the bureaucracy of life. My partner is very tickled by the idea - I'm an "academic" and utterly hopeless (and yes, that includes managing to miss one of my final exams :o).

It doesn't have any bearing either way - but citing her education as a reason to disbelieve her is silly. Having a degree does not make it any easier to use a diary effectively.
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When you a training for World running meets it does. You would need to be highly organised to both train ans study.
 
Homeless Mal said:
When you a training for World running meets it does. You would need to be highly organised to both train ans study.
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You would have to devote a great deal of mental energy to organising study and training, and then to have the 'bureaucracy of life' (good phrase) weighing down on you on top of that... it could be a big strain. I know that kind of thing is to me - I find it very hard just organising myself to pay bills on time.
 
Jessiedog said:
Like for human rights in China, maybe - no controversy there.

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Come on Jessie...I'm asking for the 5th of 6th time now...start a thread..I'm ready to discuss/learn more, i'm sure there are many others as well.

At the moment you keep throwing it in like an invisible dagger. We are all aware of it and maybe are not as naive as you think.
 
What I would say is this to improve things:

On the day of a random test, athletes should have longer to make it to the testing centre. Why not up to 4 hours if need be? the extra time will give no scope for drugs to clear, and if the athlete cannot make it then it's much much easier to say they are being unacceptably evasive.

They should say, 'take all day if you have to, just make sure your arse is through the door' - what's the drugs cheat to do?
 
London_Calling said:
What testing centre? Fine grasp of basics you have there . . .
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Well, the Olympic Medical Institute, Northwick Park Hospital springs to mind:

The second missed test happened when she forgot to show up at Northwick Park, in Harrow on the other side of north London for a test because she was writing an article for The Nub, a charity for the "Education and Self-Development Centre for African and Caribbean People". The article was overdue, so she had decided to finish it before going to train at Mile End, near her home, instead.

"I told [the drugs tester] I couldn't make it and asked if she could come to Mile End," she explained. "She said she wasn't allowed to do that, which is fair enough. She said, 'You've got just under an hour to make it here to Northwick Park'. But I live an hour and a half away so I was never going to make it, was I? She said, 'Then it's going to have to be a missed test'. And I said, 'Well, I've got no other option. You're not going to come here and I can't get there'."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/nov/27/athletics.drugsinsport

What did you mean about my 'grasp of the basics' exactly? :confused: :)
 
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