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Chávez seeks changes allowing indefinite rule

Is Hugo Chávez becoming a dictator?


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One must rule. Be sure that not all the people in one country can. So they choose one , does not matter how as long as they are happy with him
 
Why is it that "one must rule"? More importantly, why should someone, because they were born "into the purple", so-to-speak, be pre-ordained to rule?

Are you an advocate of authoritarianism, paimei01?
 
paimei01 said:
I don't have a problem with a ruler for life, I would like a king that would be above all this political struggle for more money and power.

Not a noted characteristic of monarchy though the ages really though is it? How about a pope?
 
fela fan said:
Why does he offer the proposed changes to parliament and to the people via referenda then?

Because he knows that they'll get passed due to his massive majority -and he only offers some of them, a very very small minority of the total. That doesn't effect any other rights to rule by decree that he might have.
 
paimei01 said:
I don't have a problem with a ruler for life, I would like a king that would be above all this political struggle for more money and power.

I have a problem if someone tells me what not to say or else I go to jail, and I have a problem with cameras following me everywhere and someone recording everything I do - soon all the western world will be there
I'll be your king. You'll have to do as I say though. What sort of king lets the peasants get uppity.
 
Look at the queen of England or the emperor of Japan. That kind of king is what I am talking about. I said I do not like to see anybody telling me what to say or not say or where not to go. If that king can do that I have no problem with him ruling
 
paimei01 said:
Look at the queen of England or the emperor of Japan. That kind of king is what I am talking about. I said I do not like to see anybody telling me what to say or not say or where not to go. If that king can do that I have no problem with him ruling
The sentence for calling for the abolition of the monarchy is life imprisonment and you can get two years for making fun of the Spanish royal family. That what you mean?
 
paimei01 said:
I don't have a problem with a ruler for life, I would like a king that would be above all this political struggle for more money and power.

I have a problem if someone tells me what not to say or else I go to jail, and I have a problem with cameras following me everywhere and someone recording everything I do - soon all the western world will be there
History is littered with rulers-for-life bringing about precisely the sort of state of affaris you mention in your 2nd paragraph.
 
paimei01 said:
One must rule. Be sure that not all the people in one country can. So they choose one , does not matter how as long as they are happy with him
And if they grow unhappy with him (or her), and that ruler is in place "for life", the poeple have no means of changing them.
 
to be fair if it were possible for someone to transcend all self-interest and be ultimately wise it wouldn't be a bad idea - the problem is that this isn't possible so it's a fucking stupid idea....
 
paimei01 said:
I don't have a problem with a ruler for life, I would like a king that would be above all this political struggle for more money and power.
:rolleyes:
paimei01 said:
I have a problem if someone tells me what not to say or else I go to jail, and I have a problem with cameras following me everywhere and someone recording everything I do - soon all the western world will be there
What do you think a modern King would do?
 
nosos said:
to be fair if it were possible for someone to transcend all self-interest and be ultimately wise it wouldn't be a bad idea - the problem is that this isn't possible so it's a fucking stupid idea....
And if it were possible, people in a democracy could just vote for that person again and again - which funnily enough is what this thread is all about.
 
I don't think he's becoming a dictator, but he doesn't have to be a dictator to be a bastard.

Like most politicians, Chavez rather likes being in power, it's hardly surprising that he's willing to bring in measures to maintain his social position.
 
Hmmmm...he's making all the right noises, what with seeking popular mandates and all that, but 7 hr TV appearances, having a 'vision' of anti-imperialism, that's largely being funded by an upswing in the price of the basic curency of the imperialists, oil, reliant on a docile, unquestionigly supportive electoral base that, as with the ANC in South Africa, is large enough to essentially encompass one-party rule...I'd like to be optimistic and say it'll all be good, but honestly I can't - leaving aside the whole 'Be foreign and say anything against me and you're out' business, it's the 'vision' thing that makes me nervous - he clearly sees himself as a man of destiny, who's fate is to acheive great things...
 
nino_savatte said:
No one should be allowed to rule because of the cirmcustances of their birth.

To a degree Chávez rules by virtue of the circumstances of his birth. Coming from a primarily indigenous Indian background; he has broken the rule of the oligarch, predominantly ‘European’ Venezuelans. Hopefully, this trend can continue; and, indigenous Venezuelans can, in the future control their own destiny.
 
butchersapron said:
Because he knows that they'll get passed due to his massive majority -and he only offers some of them, a very very small minority of the total. That doesn't effect any other rights to rule by decree that he might have.

Eh? Ain't that democracy in action, allowing for the rule of the majority. And if it's a massive majority, then viva chavez and most of venezuelans. If only british politicians could offer british people something so popular.

In fact, they don't even do referendums do they.
 
nosos said:
to be fair if it were possible for someone to transcend all self-interest and be ultimately wise it wouldn't be a bad idea - the problem is that this isn't possible so it's a fucking stupid idea....

If you're referring to kings, then i can actually offer a real life example of it actually being the case: the king of thailand. I often think without his influence thailand would be run in a similar way to burma. And i'd quickly need to be changing my home in the world.
 
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