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That may well be. I wonder how many papers and "talk shows" will be going
A GIRL DIED AFTER THE HPV VACCINE but she had serious underlying health probems.
Cervical Cancer Vaccine - Girl Dies - Another MMR?
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That may well be. I wonder how many papers and "talk shows" will be going
A GIRL DIED AFTER THE HPV VACCINE but she had serious underlying health probems.
I made my views clear when this topic was on nobbin & sobbin. Anyone who disagreed with the jab on that thread was bullied and shouted down. I'll be interested to know what this girl's 'serious underlying medical condition' was.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Because of stuff like this:
One reason that the patient's charter isn't great - at least in it's current form - is that the whole decision making process isn't driven by understanding - or even need - it's driven by want.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Well, the courts will get to decide that, won't they?
citygirl
friendly fire
That any worse than your suggesting the ones who were saying they would have their child immunised were guilty of "Parading their daughters out to line the pockets of big business and government deals", is it?...
Why do you need this agreement? And your 'infinitesimal' is just a word. Tell that to the parents of the girl who died because of the vaccine she had. They won't care about the language or how likely you might rate an adverse reaction, just what happened. And if it happened to her, it can happen again. You are of course welcome to take refuge in words and language rather than actual happenings.
You might also consider while we're on this topic that legally prescribed pills and misdiagnosis by doctors in the US is the fourth biggest killer of american people.
It might also be worth remembering various drugs down the years like thalidomide that are touted for their miracle happenings, yet turn out to be monstrous attacks on people.
And finally, vaccines are big big bucks. This girl was happy and hard-working they said, just living a normal life. Vaccine. Dead. From healthy to dead, just like that. Oh, but i forgot, she could have died later on in life with cervical cancer.
Did they tell anyone in britain about nutrition and diet being the best antidote to cancers of all kinds? No? Oh, well, just take a pill or a jab, that'll do the job.
Vaccinations are better than good old talking and educating nowadays are they?! Ahh, the power and comfort of the jab.
You're making a cardinal error of judgment, it's not about the future, it's about now. One million girls have had the jab and they didn't die. One did have the jab and died, so that means it's only an infitessimal chance of dying, therefore the jab is fine and safe and dandy.
Who cares about the future, what's that got to do with the safety level of the jab today??!
[take the tone of my reply to you with my two other posts just now into account!]
Why don't you do a wee bit of research on past experiences delivered to us by the pharmaceutical industry? They can't be trusted more than an inch. They want your money, not your health.
The past is littered with dead and malformed people who trusted the medical establishment with their vaccines and pills. Nothing to do with any hunches, just knowledge of what's already happened.
It's a pity when one is reduced to hope.
Here's the relevant reactions from the authorities:
the vaccination was "most unlikely to have caused the death" of Natalie Morton, 14.
and
Dr Caron Grainger, joint director of public health for NHS Coventry and Coventry City Council, said the results of a preliminary post-mortem examination had "revealed a serious underlying medical condition which was likely to have caused death".
So everything's just fine, now we know why she died, and how she was unlikely to have died. Very convenient that they discover this poor girl had a 'serious underlying medical condition'. But just what does these four words actually MEAN?? The only bit i recognise is the 'lying' bit from 'underlying'.
This is the reaction required to stop any chance of a panic in one million girls and their parents from taking place. Believe them at your will.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
And of course the fact that thalidomide is curerntly being tested across a battery of difference illnesses has obviously passed you by. No surprises there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8154021.stm
And littered with a great many more who are either not dead, or sick, or disfigured, or disabled, or in pain...thanks to the medical establishment with their vaccines and pills.
It's about balancing the risk. And about maintaining high standards of practice, both on the ground and in the science and research aspects.
What it isn't about is silly appeals to emotion designed to steer as far away from fact as possible, and stay firmly in the realm of handwaving and scaremongering...
Well, they'd be doing well then. The bigger size text relates to a FACT, while your smaller size text is just something someone in authority told us. It is not fact. In all probability it's total bullshit to try and avert a mass panic with attendant lawsuits taking place.
It'll be action stations now to prove this girl died from something else, and that the vaccine is totally safe. Too much money involved.
Oh, for goodness' sake, it's only just happened. This is breaking news, not something that happened 10 years ago.
This is just transparent scaremongering and trying to make a mountain out of what - 24 hours since the news broke - is undoubtedly a molehill. Perhaps it will get bigger. Perhaps not. We'll see. But it's too early to tell now.
Which I suspect you know as well as I do.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Some cancers are caused by bad diet and lifestyle. Others by a virus, which is the purpose of this vaccination. Did anyone tell you that? No? Oh well, just spout nonsense on the interweb then, that'll do the job.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Why did this girl die? Why do people die from vaccines, while others don't? What happens a year, two years, ten years down the line?
Heck, if you wanna be balanced, just take a vaccine for everything. All potential diseases, have a jab for them all.
I'm not getting involved in any handwaving or scaremongering, i'm looking at the fact that a girl died just after having a jab. And how the authorities are now trying to deny she died from the vaccine. It's so unbelievably coincidental that it DEMANDS investigation and a halt to the vaccine program.
But no, everything carries on as normal, as if this girl didn't die. One death is okay. Alright, so how many have to die before the odds become worth investigating?
Could you tell me which cancers can be caused by a virus? To my knowledge that is simply untrue.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Not all diseases have a vaccine y'know.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
http://www.macmillan.org.uk/Canceri...Cervix/Aboutcervicalcancer/Howitdevelops.aspx
What on earth did you think the vaccine was for?
agnes, i'm not here scaremongering at all. For about ten months now i've been researching in great detail how the food and pharmaceutical industries operate and what their links are with our health or illhealth. I know full well i'm probably stepping into a minefield on this thread, and probably won't be able to last long before attempts are made to hound me away through the use of ridicule. I don't have much lasting power these days for urban's reactionary bullshit, it just mirrors that of the authorities.
But i'm posting for the moment because i find it incredible how a girl's death can be just dismissed just like that. I would have thought that the IMMEDIATE and temporary halt to this vaccination programme would be the first course of action until her death has been cleared as nothing to do with the vaccine. But no, everyone here on this thread seems to think it should be fine to carry on, as evidently do the authorities. Just put it down to an underlying medical condition. Nice patsy words those, but they have no real meaning.
Of course, there is the related issue of the swine flu vaccination, so we hardly need the british public up in arms and suspecting these vaccines.
I think it's something like a quarter of all different pills are recalled by the pharmaceutical companies at some point due to the side effects that they cause in consumers of them. By which time though they've made their billions of dollars.
Some, like thalidomide, do their nasty job, get recalled, then amazingly come back onto the market.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
You know what. She died after breathing the air around her
So all 14 year old girls should stop breathing the air around them.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
No you haven't. You've been reading endless piles of steaming great shite written by idiots.
Oh, you fool.
We don't know why the girl died. She just died. This isn't Star Trek where someone can press a gadget to her neck and download her last 30 mins' worth of vital signs: it will take time to find out why she died.
And your neat elision into "Why do people die from vaccines..." didn't pass unnoticed. Let's make this quite clear: the connection between this vaccine and her death is pretty slim unless something emerges in the autopsy that suggests otherwise: there is certainly nothing at this point to suggest that the vaccine is to blame.
People die quite regularly. Even kids. In the education district we've had about 3 non-deliberate deaths in the last year or so. It's par for the course, and it is quite likely - probably more likely than that it is the vaccine, given the number of doses that have already been administered without sudden deaths immediately afterwards.
But, to be honest, fela, reading what else you've contributed in this latest carpet-bombing, I think I'm wasting my time trying to debate reasonably with you. I think you have a very clear agenda, and you're not really interested in talking about the issue in good faith.
Jazzz is tedious enough, I think I'll spare myself the bother of getting mixed up with someone just doing him the sincerest form of flattery.
ETA: it may even be that the authorities, given that they will have her medical history, have a pretty good idea what she died of. And, guess what, they're keeping it from us!
.Because, perhaps, they are considering the feelings of those closest to the girl who died, who might not want their daughter's death turned into a rolling news channel and would prefer that the information be released once it has been confirmed and in a way which is respectful, and considering our feelings by not rushing out potentially inaccurate updates until they know exactly what has happened.
CIN as your link relates, is not a cancer, merely a possible pre-cancer condition of cells, that may or may not develop. We all have possible cancer cells, that the vast majority of will be activated or not by lifestyle or nutritional causes.
Viruses do not create cancers.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Cervical cancer does not happen without these pre-cancerous cells, which are caused by a virus. What on earth did you think was the point of the vaccine?
Me??! I don't bother much with risks at all, death will come when it comes. I'd rather just enjoy life while i can without having to worry about a whole litany of possible risks in life. The modern western world has gone overly mad in my book regarding risks and security and so on.
Yeah, there's a risk in just about everything, if you want to see it that way. Or, just live, taking sensible precautions over diet and lifestyle.
fogbat
The Talibum
I bet you wouldn't say that to the family of a poor girl who was killed in a car accident
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