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Centrepoint Building - luxury flats scheme gloriously backfires

It just seems a huge waste, and probably more disappointing that it was allowed to happen not that someone chose to do it.

I didn't realise that the charity Centrepoint's name comes from when students occupied the building protesting that it could be used to house the homeless. Just found that out.
 
It wasn't uncommon for himself to have people turning up at the building wanting to find the charity when they needed help.
 
txapeldun said:
I may be wrong, but I think it was to do with the potential rent for the empty building (and therefore the value of the building) going up each year.
If there had been tenants in the building, the landlord wouldn't have been able to raise the rent each year so the value of the building wouldn't have increased.

does that make sense?

As property prices are rising so fast at the moment a lot of new flats are bought and left empty for a while before being sold on. Apparently this is more profitable than renting out the flat and then selling it, due to a new flat being worth more than one that has being occupied. <ed: removed>
 
MI5's old headquarters was at Gower Street in Bloomsbury - within walking distance of Euston Tower. The MI5 telephone network has had its center on the 17th floor of Euston Tower in central London, the base of MI5's "communications manager"

MI5 ran a free 0800 number from Euston Tower for the convenience of operatives engaged in "watching" targets around the UK and forced to make calls from payphones. Quite mad when you consider how far wired and wireless communication has come.
 
txapeldun said:
I didn't realise that the charity Centrepoint's name comes from when students occupied the building protesting that it could be used to house the homeless. Just found that out.

I'd always wondered if there was a connection. That would be a pretty cool homeless shelter, it would sure house a lot of people.
 
Iguana said:
I'd always wondered if there was a connection. That would be a pretty cool homeless shelter, it would sure house a lot of people.

It's actually pretty small inside centrepoint, very odd building... Really nice views from the top though, and the chairs in the lobby are great.
 
Dubversion said:
i went to a club there a couple of times, but was very drunk and remember nothing.

Except that the band i was 'working with' got into a fight, dragged me into it and i got thrown out and punched.

:(
I went to a club there once. They played a strange type of music which I'd never heard before. Later found out it was Jungle!
 
I heard from a mate that The Intrepid Fox pub has moved to just below it.Does anyone know if that's true? I haven't been up into town for a while,so I haven't checked.
 
kyser_soze said:
Nothing wrong with demolising the Astoria. Place is a fucking dump with the nastiest bouncers in central London.

jæd said:
Nope... The toilets are truely vile. :mad:


Big fucking deal. What a bunch of ninnies!!

Funnily enough the Astoria + Mean Fiddler arent about having a pleasant piss, or admiring the classic decor.

Its about having two incredibly popular, classic, and historical music and club venues right in the centre of London, possibly the only ones left! None of this Brixton or Wembley shit - two places which really are a bunch of complete crap.

The Astoria and Mean Fiddler are two places which happen to actually host some damn good live music, with great acoustics. Unless you happen to like the sell-out shit that play at Wembley? What would happen if we lost all the small live venues? Where would all the small bands play? We'd probably be listening to manufactured Simon Cowell bullshit because small bands and unique genres arent allowed to play for the lack of venues.

The same shit was going to happen to the Electric Ballroom a while back. Its ridiculous!
 
My understanding of the reason that Centrepoint remained empty for so long was that it was indeed build as a speculative venture and the developers hoped to rent out the entire building to one company. If a large corporation had taken it up that would have brought in a massive profit.

Unfortunately for the developers, no-one came forward and they held out for this to happen while refusing to rent out individual floors which would have been less profitable. Eventually they were forced to do this but by then the value of the building had risen massively so they had a valuable asset - presumably allowing them to raise money against it. The homeless charity Centrepoint as far as I know was named after the building where they had a floor not the other way around.
 
lenny101 said:
I cycle past this monstrosity most mornings and it has to be the worst building in London. The building turns a slight breeze into a force 5 gail almost blowing me off my bike. I think it’s a listed building but surely this doesn't stop them from sorting out the bit where it meets the floor. Also, that fountain! FFS, I wish this building would be knocked down.

Deep breath, deep breath.

Rant over.

This building?

http://www.prostunts.net/Centrepoint2.jpg

How does it magnify the wind?
 
I think Centre Point is a great piece of architecture, though I'm not sure it's in the right location. I like high rises to be clustered together. Great windows though.
 
Big redevelopment plans have just been announced: housing for the well heeled!

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http://www.urban75.org/blog/centre-point-redevelopment-plans-announced-luxury-penthouse-ahoy/
 
Well there's a demand for housing for rich people that isn't going away. I suppose it's better they're built there where they aren't displacing anyone else.
 
Oh, and before anyone thinks about making any comment behind the financial motives of Harry Hyams (the original developer) please don't. Really.

there is the gist of it on wikipedia

I heard the pre-stressed design will make it very difficult to demolish; it was cast in stages and the internal pre-tensioned members tensioned as they went up, with no thought to releasing the tension to allow demolition. maybe that's just rumour
 
It's a backfiring clusterfuck. Hahaha.

The property developer behind the conversion of central London’s Centre Point office skyscraper into multimillion-pound luxury apartments has given up trying to sell the flats after receiving too many “detached from reality” lowball offers.

Mike Hussey, chief executive of the developer Almacantar, said the company had decided to halt formal sales of the flats in the 1960s brutalist tower, now called Centre Point Residences, rather than slash prices.

The company said concerns about Brexit and possible tax increases on overseas investors were encouraging potential buyers to make offers well below the asking price.

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More than half of the 1,900 ultra-luxury apartments built in London last year failed to sell, adding to fears that the capital would be left with dozens of “posh ghost towers”. The swanky £1m-plus flats, complete with private gyms, swimming pools and cinema rooms, are lying empty as hundreds of thousands of would-be first-time buyers struggle to find an affordable home.

It is not the first time that Centre Point has failed to find occupiers. When the tower was completed in 1966 it did not attract enough high-paying office tenants and remained vacant for a decade, leading to it to be nicknamed “London’s empty skyscraper”.

Homelessness campaigners staged an occupation of the tower in 1974 to highlight the problem and the tower then lent its name to homelessness charity CentrePoint.

“Now its happening all over again – Centre Point’s redevelopers have taken fright at Brexit jitters and decided many of its luxury apartments must remain empty again,” said Chris Bailey, campaign manager of charity Action on Empty Homes.

He added: “There are over 20,000 long-term empty homes in London, while over 50% of the 79,880 families and 123,230 children in temporary accommodation in England are in London, costing London’s councils hundreds of millions a year. London can’t keep on funding this while land is gobbled up to build empty towers for an increasingly speculative global market which now appears to be faltering before the spectre of Brexit price dips.”

Brutalist market: flats at London's Centre Point taken off market
 
And listen to this Tory fuckwit:

Henry Pryor, an independent luxury property buying agent, said rich overseas buyers were very concerned about the risk of overpaying for central London properties particularly if the economy suffered in the wake of a disorderly Brexit or if Jeremy Corbyn became prime minister and introduced a wealth tax.

He said: “The wealthy are far more worried about the risk of a Corbyn-led government than even the hardest of Brexits.”
 
New here's a flashmob I could get behind:

A group of professional timewasters, just constantly low balling these developers until they take the properties off the market blaming it on Brexit, Corbyn, the weather etc...
 
Another piece in the Guardian:

Developers reported the first apartments had been sold at the asking price, including one that went for £5m to the parents of a Chinese student due to start at UCL this term. And I feel for her. I do. I can picture her, lonely, sitting in the empty residents’ bar or spa after lectures, as half the apartments remain unsold. I can imagine the silence, the double-glazed, deafening silence of a largely uninhabited tower block opposite the theatre showing Bat Out of Hell – it would have the dense soft texture of a hotel towelling robe. But rather than lowering the price to attract other buyers, developers have chosen to take the unsold flats off the market and keep them empty, claiming the offers they’ve received are “detached from reality”. As in 1974, Centre Point stands almost empty again, joining hundreds of other unsold luxury apartment blocks, “ghost towers”, dark windowed at night.

It can make you feel quite dizzy, can’t it, this relentless cycle of greed and emptiness. I’m reminded of the fairground scene in Problem Child 2, where the waltzer starts spinning out of control, and one child pukes on another, causing them to puke on a third, and so on until the parents are puking and the bully is puking and the grass is swimming with porridge-like sick and people are slipping in the stuff and the music gets faster and faster until everything is brown and nothing is dry, and the world is revealed to be simply a receptacle for vomit.

2015. That was a funny time – they say if you remember it you weren’t really there, or at least, unmedicated. It was the year a £15bn housing project in Battersea advertised plans to build a “sky pool” that would adjoin two luxury apartment blocks, a 25m swimming pool with a transparent floor, 10 storeys above the borough where almost two in five children were growing up in poverty, a literal glass ceiling. It was the year housing officers discovered 26 people living in a three-bedroom home in east London, in “one of the most extreme examples of illegal overcrowding” they’d ever seen, and the year the mysterious owner of what had become London’s most expensive private house (Witanhurst, £300m, includes an underground village) was revealed to be Russia’s 28th richest man, spending £2m a week on the basement dig. 2015, that was when the waltzer was at its fastest.

Ghost towers and empty spas… London housing is ridiculous | Eva Wiseman
 
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