littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nice line, but that's not true, is it? This website is proof of that. Editor would be in jail in Cuba for running this site - have no doubt of that.
Central American Dictator Leaves Office - news from Cuba
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CyberRose
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I agree they do more so than certain other countries in the EU, but I don't think that's 100% true (which I can prove with things like environmental policy). I also don't think it's particularly accurate to even describe Washington as "neoconservative" any more seeing as most of them got shipped out!
I don't know what will happen for Cuba. As this thread proves, there are good points (social care etc) and bad points (a lack of democracy)
I hope they can find some happy median between the two without interferace from outside (but something tells me a lot of people in Miami right now have other plans...)
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I don't think so actually; they aren't neoconservatives (or at least only a tiny number are); the neocons are a specific ideological group who go beyond the usual capitalist consensus. For that matter there are quite a few Republicans who are not neocons, which doesn't make them _nice_ of course.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Anyway, Bush has announced that the US is going to help the people of Cuba achieve democracy. All vacations for the CIA cancelled, then!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fair enough - it wasn't my line. The UK goes along with the US view of world affairs, though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It is odd that the US, the land of the free, seeks to control where its citizens travel outside the US.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It was no stupider than your feeble and meaningless response.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Fuck, send em to me, I'll cash it. I can buy a super-tanker to carry the cash home.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Yeah, we can dissent, doesn't make any difference of course but it's nice to let off steam.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think the freedom to dissent in thought and words makes a huge difference.
dream_girl
waiting for my ban
We can dissent in public in peace time - but during wartime this right is limited. Isn't cuba in a situation very similar to wartime - under siege and permanent fear of US attack and infiltration?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, not really - there has been little prospect of US attack since the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
dream_girl
waiting for my ban
Maybe not as obvious from a Cuban point of view.
The infiltration still goes on and the surveillance, and the siege, and the partial occupation.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
That's the most sense I've read you write.
I think the term "neoconcervative" is overused as well, as if the Vietnam war, and the Shah of Iran, and El Salvadore and Guatamala and Laos and blah blah blah Manifest Destiny was ok because the term did not exist back then.
I think your forgetting the Cuban Crisis of 1962. I certainly will never forget it.
The king is dead long live the king.
Castro's successor 'probably a blood relative' as mentioned in a quote in a post above, is of course his brother Raul, who has been de facto ruler since Castro got seriously ill. The Times On Line has this to report about Raul:-
Plus ça change...
Castro's successor 'probably a blood relative' as mentioned in a quote in a post above, is of course his brother Raul, who has been de facto ruler since Castro got seriously ill. The Times On Line has this to report about Raul:-
Plus ça change...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The partial occupation is a red herring - that's like saying that China was under threat from the UK because of Hong Kong.
The spying certainly goes on, as does the economic blockade. However, the result of the Cuban missile crisis was that the US agreed not to attempt to invade Cuba, and up to 1989, the island could count on the USSR to guarantee that this would be honoured. If you think the US now plans an invasion, you are privvy to information that I do not have.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Raúl is deeply unpopular. It will be interesting to see how he gets on without his brother. My guess is that they will need to turn to the younger generation sooner rather than later if the regime is to survive.
Nurse! My sides!
You mean like Russian bombers buzzing US aircraft carriers? Or spies and poisonings and diplomatic expulsions in Russia and the UK?
Jerry Falwell once described Canada as the "Cuba of the North" and mentioned its tolerance towards homosexual deviants and embracing communism - i think he also described Pierre Trudea as a commie - so you Mr canuck , you are clsoer than you think to the Cubans
Also, the Commie sympathiseres that break the law and travel to Cuba from North American usually do it Via Canada - collabarateur
CyberRose
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That must be the only thing you've see me write then!That's the most sense I've read you write.
To the level of Cuba's neighbours: Jamaica, Haiti, the Dominican Republic?
The Cubans I met said Raul was loco, as in overly radical and aggressive towards the USA. There was a rumour that he'd ordered the bombing of Guantanamo Bay while Fidel was out of the country. They were worried about him taking over because they thought he might provoke retaliation.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
In an information-starved environment like Cuba, rumours are rife. I met several people who were convinced that Raul had engineered the death of Cienfuegos, who stood between him and advancement. While he certainly benefited from Cienfuegos's death, I have not seen any proof of a conspiracy.
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
I heard that rumour too.
I heard 10 or 12 rumours about Cienfuegos, but not that one.
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