Celtic dragon 3000 years old

Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by chimera, Jan 30, 2006.

  1. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    They say that Cymru needed to copy the Roman dragon standard. Did the Celts lack the wit to make a flag? Julius Caesar wrote that Celtic ships in the Channel were bigger than Roman boats, with high castles,anchor-chains and leather sails for storms. The white "Horse" of Uffington 1400-600BC is an advanced abstract design. Cymru did not lack a symbol for Pendragon.
    The ancient Greek writers recorded Celtic legend. Diodorus ascribed to Scythians themselves their legend of Zeus and Echidna. Thus, his record of Celts at Diod 5.24 is their actual belief: Brettanos of Gaul was father of Kelto Echidna viper-woman, who was mother of Chimera goat-lion. Kelto and Hercules were parents of Keltos ("the Celt"). Chimera battled Greeks in Lycia, Asia Minor in 8th.centBC. when Cimmerians did the same.
    Y ddraig >Latin draco, Greek drakon "snake". Echidna is viper, vivre, wyvern.
    The Roman dragon at Koblenz Museum is in snake-form, and legs and wings were medieval additions to the snake dragon. The Cymru dragon flag and goat-lion yale flag were flown by Henry VII in 1485. (www.1. yale lion tail.2. Beaufort yale). That yale chimera with lion hindquarters sits above St. George's chapel at Windsor. The dragon was a supporter on the Tudor Arms, and chimera goat-lion is the heraldic supporter of the Arms of Kings of Scots.
    It has "tufts of hair and a lion's tail" with goat hooves, split and not smooth horse hooves. It is on UK Arms. Dragon and Chimera live on after 3000 years.
    chimera
     
  2. llantwit

    llantwit 

  3. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    make some more sense or do one

    <breathes fire all over that post>
     
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  4. MooChild

    MooChild Made of Straw

    But where are the owls i wonder?
     
  5. ZIZI

    ZIZI From 1-10 = 11

    I don't quite get your point? :confused:
     
  6. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    My point is to explain the Celtic ancestors' culture and self image, as expressed in Y Ddraig Goch and Beaufort yale of Cymru. Celts viewed themselves as sons of Hercules and the viper-dragon. Chimera goat-lion was of virgin-birth from the dragon and claimed equality with Athena war-goddess. Greeks and Romans described Celts as Brahmins, in a religious system which reached from Eire to east Asia. As Germanic peoples had the same god Danu
    (thunnor Thor) as in Eire, then Brahminism was north Europe's common culture, of your ancestors.
    chimera
     
  7. Ground Elder

    Ground Elder Well-Known Member

    That's cleared that up then :)
     
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  8. MooChild

    MooChild Made of Straw

    Ah, im glad thats all sorted.
     
  9. Gentleman Taff

    Gentleman Taff Hans plays with Lotte



    Got any of that to sell mate?
     
  10. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    morien institue

    what was that thread a while back going on about different dragons awakening in different parts of the world and that it's a good time to be in Wales?
     
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  11. llantwit

    llantwit 

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    Are you the keymaster?*




    *I'm sorry, but you're style of writing reminds me of Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters.
     
  12. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    It is interesting that y ddraig is linked to lightning and meteorite stones.
    Zeus flung Kelto Echidna viper "drakon" snake into Mount Etna volcano because she claimed that her Chimera goat-lion of virgin-birth was equal to Athena war-goddess.-Od 12.89-92. Typhon snake-man, who may be river Taff, revived Kelto dragon in Mount Etna. Typhon was god of volcanic wind and storms, and became "typhoon" storms of south China seas.-OED'typhoon'.
    Typhon nearly defeated Zeus on the Syrian coast, and created the Greek isles when he fled under the sea to Sicily. In Sardinia, acciamara "wool-jacket" is a form of chamarre / chimere robe of UK bishops, made of camelot cloth of Angora goat-wool. -OED 'camlat' 'chimere'. Chimera<Greek "chimaira" goat.
    "Cham" goat-wool tent of Khans, links to "chambre" barracks of soldiers, camarades Cymru. Y ddraig represents a lot of Cymric history.
    chimera.
     
  13. ZIZI

    ZIZI From 1-10 = 11

    Yeh but no but but yeh but no right and yeh yeh but----margrette! :p
     
  14. Chilli.s

    Chilli.s changed the little words

    Celtic dragon coin, 2100 years old, Bohemia.

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  15. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    "Celtic" is these days a term of convenience rather than historical accuracy.
     
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  16. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    Thus suggests an earlier origin: "In the Scythian tombs of Northern Hungary that are related to the Scythian invasions from around 700 BC, as well as in those of central Romania, spiral-shaped rings known as the "Scythian rings" have been found; with one end forming a fantastic animal, such as a dragon or serpent, Turano-Siberian varieties of old Mesopotamian monsters."

    Probably Russia was in EU in those days.
     
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  17. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Do cultural objects in a similar style equal a cohesive society with a modern sense of ethnic identity?
     
  18. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    That's interesting. Russia has divisions with its Islamic border peoples and with Ukrainians. There seem to be some conversations between Ulster people , between Scots and others and between Tudors and Yorkists.
    Evidence shows that people travelled from the north to Stonehenge as a central temple. There was some unity against Romans , maybe it was like Amerindians joining their tribes to resist the cavalry. However, the decision that Y Ddraig was unknown before the Dacian or Alan troops arrived, seems a mistake. If the horned serpent was so ancient and widespread and was in Britain , then some custom for using the symbol seems probable.

    It could be argued that British were not an ethnic nation when Romans departed just as Saxons were not for several centuries. But language would connect them just as with Gauls fighting Caesar.
     
  19. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Ancient invaders transformed Britain, but not its DNA
     
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  20. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    The language of a group would influence common cultures. So , " into the modern period, Thor continued to be acknowledged in rural folklore throughout Germanic-speaking Europe.The unification of Germany into a politically and administratively integrated nation state officially occurred on 18 January 1871, in the Hall of Mirrors at the Palace of Versailles in France. " Thor and Bismarck hammered out an agreement. An altar was installed in the centre for a religious ceremony, and a platform was built near the War Room, opposite to where Louis XIV’s throne had once stood. British and French dragons watched from the oak trees.
     
  21. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    Hardouin Mansart started building the War Room in 1678.
    The design incorporates the national emblems, with a fleur-de-lis topped by a royal sun between two Gallic roosters (the Latin word for rooster was gallus).

    In Spain the horned serpent is next to 2 pillars with a tree, on a Celtic vase. arcobriga celtic vase - Google Search:
    "A painted vase from Arcobriga, of difficult interpretation, shows a 'tree-man' , as well as roosters and horned serpents (Marco Simón 1993a)." Maybe the dragon's feet are from that? goch /cock.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2019
  22. chimera

    chimera Active Member

    Does Y Ddraig have a beak , the strange pointed nose? Then are the wings from the rooster being aggro?
     

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