CCTV: mandatory in pubs

[moon23]

Because of licencing/partnership policy, that would mean virtually all pubs in my area then. I really cannot think of anywhere that does not have CCTV now, except some tiny rural places or a very few of the oldest old-mannie pubs in town.

I live in a rural area, so that's 99% of the pubs for me

 

[CyberRose]

I live in a rural area, so that's 99% of the pubs for me

That'll be why you have such a flippant attitude to crime then!

 

[Dr Jon]

Do people still go to pubs after the smoking ban?

 

[pogofish]

I live in a rural area, so that's 99% of the pubs for me

Don't bank on it staying that way for much longer - The rural boards have only been slower off the mark IME.

The police have also been trawling their drug machine round the country places in the last few weeks.

 

[pogofish]

Do people still go to pubs after the smoking ban?

Its not much but I still try to make a point of supporting the places I like.

(Then there is the little matter of lock-ins)

 

[moon23]

That'll be why you have such a flippant attitude to crime then!

I've been the victim of ABH within the last 3 years, does that give me enougth 'victim cred' or do I have to live in a city? I had to chase the police up twice and it was a week before they took a statement off me. They let someone involved who they caught red handed go on the night. It took six months before they mangaged to sort an ID parade, by which time I couldn't remember what they looked like. CCTV was too blury to make out anything.

The solution, spend money on acutal police to investigate crime, rather than hassaling protesters and setting up spy cams.

 

[tarannau]

Stop drinking in pubs with CCTV. Let them close through lack of business.

How many pubs near you don't have CCTV TC? Can't think of many, certainly not anywhere near the centre of Croydon. The police are fucking insistent about CCTV there.

 

[moon23]

Its not much but I still try to make a point of supporting the places I like.

(Then there is the little matter of lock-ins)

Most are now shutting, in the future we will sit on our own infront of facebook with cheap lager from tesco (that will be the only shop)

 

[Azrael]

"As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such a twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." ~ Justice William O. Douglass

Superb quote from a judge I already had cause to admire.

I should add that I'd have no problem if a landlord/landlady chose to install surveillance cameras in their pub. It's private property and that's their prerogative. What I object to is spy cameras being compelled as part of a licensing agreement, and the police having the right to demand the tapes without giving a reason. Keep state fishing trips out of our public houses!

 

[winjer]

The only thing I can think is if the pub is dodgy or the area is dodgy.

Did you read the OP at all?

Islington and Richmond borough councils are enforcing a blanket policy on anyone applying for a licence

 

[Crispy]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/13/ico_cctv_met/

The Information Commissioner has pulled on the reigns on this one. No more 'blanket policy'

 

[CyberRose]

Did you read the OP at all?

Is Islington rough?

 

[Dandred]

Sad way of things, but it looks like the way it will be.


The law is more interested in policing than how people can go about their lives. Get in the way of the police, if you've broken any laws, your fucked.

Sad sate of affairs.

 

[winjer]

Is Islington rough?

Not rough enough:

Yesterday it emerged that the police had dropped their conditions and Gibson was granted a licence for his pub - the Drapers Arms in Islington, north London.

Composer and local resident Michael Nyman, who counts the pub as his local, welcomed the police climbdown. "Now we will be able to avoid police and government snooping as we go about our innocent business of eating, drinking and being," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/12/cctv-pubs-privacy-ico

 

[fela fan]

It wouldn't supprise me either. I mean, my post was slightly tounge in cheek, as there's been talk of it on the CT websites. But nothing would supprise with me the current dictators in charge.

Don't forget the acquiescent population. They're part of the equation.

The society in england looks insane to me. 'Security' has become the mantra.

The country needs to take stock of itself, take a step back and learn how to breath again in order to ask itself where it went so badly wrong. Many people in many countries if they were to read this thread would have their eyes popping out.

It seems like one's reading a bad novel, but from which you can put the book down and get back to normal life. Cept it ain't a book...