Catalogue of arguments for the existence of God
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Did nothing create something? There are other questions that need to be considered here, such as what is time? Our experience of 'time' with ordered events in a causal relation to each other is something that we generate in order to make sense of what we need to make sense of to live. Until we understand properly what it is that we are living through, we're jumping the gun by even theorising that the Big Bang can meaningfully be taken to be the 'start' of anything except one particular way of ordering events.
Obviously I was paraphrasing him but that was his argument in a nutshell, and also a common one put forward by theists (cosmological argument).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's not an argument, though. It seems like a misunderstanding of atheism more than anything - the idea that atheists 'believe that there is no god', which is a misrepresentation of what most atheists think.
Is there no such thing as an atheist then, only agnostics? I know atheists don't argue that their lack of faith is a "belief" per se. It is a rejection of the belief in a deity. But if they cannot explain how the universe was created, isn't the possibility of a god just as likely as any other theory that we haven't yet developed?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If 'god' is the answer to the question: god is the reason there is something rather than nothing, all that does is push the question back. Ok, well why is there a god rather than no god? Solves nothing.
If god is defined as the observation that there is something rather than nothing, that 'existence is', then this is fine. But you have merely defined god into existence. This is not an argument for religion.
If god is defined as the observation that there is something rather than nothing, that 'existence is', then this is fine. But you have merely defined god into existence. This is not an argument for religion.
deke t lefel
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And we're back with humans feeling uncomfortable that there might not be something they can define or explain. Whether a deity or deities exist is IMHO less interesting than why so many humans need to call it/them into existence. Is it a type of security blanket or just something/someone else to blame?
Roxy641
Are you local?
We can explain how the universe was created, it's called The Big Bang.
Ah, the Pascal's Wager...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager
Pascal was wrong in thinking that it is better to believe in a god than not to. Let us for a moment presume there is a god, when you or I die and go to heaven, I will probably not get in as I've never believed in any god. But anyone that does believe in god isn't sure of a place in heaven. Most religions have a rule saying you shouldn't believe in "false gods". So, my point being, there could of course being a god, but even if there was it doesn't mean that it's a christian god, a Muslium god, etc.
Pascal seem to presume it was just a case of 50/50. ie. There is either a god or there isn't. There are thousands of different god beliefs, which one is the correct god?
Ever heard of Ain Soph?
Crispy
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That's more of a "when, what" than a "how" tbf.
deke t lefel
Active Member
the theory of tzimtzum (contraction of the infinite away from the finite) seems to explain red shift just as well as the big bang
Mungy
i haz boobz
resurrections and inquisitions of the spanish variety are like that, nobody expects them.
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