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pogofish said:
Yes & it even has this gem near the beginning -



You can see right where they are coming from, can't you? Very objective.
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Jesus christ. Are you still wittering on? How can one isolated statement of legal fact point effectively to the objectivity of a full article? Still, there's always the National Wildlife Federation link, or a host of others. Either way and there's far more debate than you were willing to concede earlier on

As you were.
 
tarannau said:
How can one isolated statement of legal fact point effectively to the objectivity of a full article?

Either way and there's far more debate than you were willing to concede earlier on
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Do you really want me to start quoting some of the other beauts on that page?

No, no debate, just another frenetic & emotive single-issue campaign that completely misses the reality & diversity of the situation/problem. Much like your posts actually. :p
 
Orang Utan said:
Imprisoning cats indoors shocks me! I'm surprised so many people seem to think it's acceptable. Would you do the same with dogs? Or humans?
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Our upstairs four cats do very well inside. Two of them go for wanders outside the front door for about 10 - 15 mins or so and then come in but although they have access to the back garden (which is completely caged in due to there being uneutered pedigree havanas and siamese here) they don't use it because of the other 11 hostile cats and kittens who live downstairs.

My cat moved in and was used to being an outdoor cat but has settled down really well so far. Doesn't rush to the door or anything like that.

Dogs are different really. As long as you don't let a cat get too fat and let it get bored then a cat is fine indoors. I'd still prefer to let a cat go outside and wander but if circumstances dictate then a cat can survive and thrive inside. If a cat is really fucked off it will try to escpace and find a new human / food.
 
I think it very much depends on the cat - some are very happy indoors, and happy without company, others less so.

I said I'd never want an indoor cat but now I've got one that is 99% indoor and quite happy with the arrangement.
 
beeboo said:
I think it very much depends on the cat - some are very happy indoors, and happy without company, others less so.

I said I'd never want an indoor cat but now I've got one that is 99% indoor and quite happy with the arrangement.
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Sorry that is a valid point. Cat personalities are very different.
 
One of my cats is a bit like that Beebo. When we got them as rescue cats, it was because they were both apparently indoor animals & we were in a flat in a high-density area at the time. Both were fine. However, whilst one was fully adapted, the other turned-out to be less so & it emerged that it had been used to outdoors originally. After I got dumped with them, I set about getting them used to going out & it was no problem with one, who now spends much of her time outdoors whilst the other prefers to stay-in virtually all the time.
 
Ironically, it is the mainly indoor cat who needs a bell, whilst the outdoor one rarely hunts much more than the very occasional mouse.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Sorry that is a valid point. Cat personalities are very different.
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Bearing this in mind, different ballaching techniques should be used on different cats.;)

Don't be affraid to experiment with your furry partner untill you find something that suits you both.

Have fun.:)
 
Similarly, before them, I often looked after a friend's moggie who was completely adjusted to indoors & was actually terrified of being taken outside - he would cower down shaking, then run for cover/the nearest door if taken ouside. I wondered if aggrophobia was noted in cats?
 
pogofish said:
Similarly, before them, I often looked after a friend's moggie who was completely adjusted to indoors & was actually terrified of being taken outside - he would cower down shaking, then run for cover/the nearest door if taken ouside. I wondered if aggrophobia was noted in cats?
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or maybe kind of institutionalised? :eek:

Some of my cats behaviour I put down to her being mistreated in the past - she has become really friendly with us over time but it's taken years, and she still hates visitors in the house.

I initially thought she was naturally aloof, but I think it was fear.
 
Yes, definitely the case with one of mine. She was absolutely terrified of people & if you raised your voice or any object, she would scurry away & hide for hours. Took her a very long time to adjust to me & a couple of other regular people but is still timid around strangers even today.

The other however was the exact opposite & seemed to need to cling to people as much as she could. Again, took a long time before she became more independent.

Both were also utterly emaciated at first as well. :(
 
Jesus christ, I wasn't the first one on here to say that cats are ok indoors, but my post is the one that gets quoted and causes a row - how does that happen, I make about 2 posts a month these days? :confused:

If anyone is wondering about whether cats are in their natural habitat if let outdoors in the UK, they aren't, the domestic cat is descended from felines that live in a desert environment.

Go on, stick him out in the rain next to a busy road, because it's 'only natural'. FFS.
 
bluestreak said:
while i can see whare OU is coming from, reading this thread has made me decide that experience suggests it's ok to keep a cat inside. seeing as lots of nice responsible urbanites have happy housecats has made me decide that i can get one too. i don't give a damn about them destroying the furniture, it's what it's there for, and it's a big old flat with three storeys of staircases to tear up and down. doesn't seem too worrying.
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I cannot be bothered reading all of this thread now that it's stopped being about fun things to do with cats. :p

I'm not sure how much I like the idea of flat cats. We had them when I lived in the country and it's hard to imagine they would be happy kept indoors. However, my friend has flat cats and it's hard to say whether their lives are impoverished. She did tell me however, that she specifically sought out a type of cat which is supposed to be happier than other types to stay indoors. You may want to investigate that. :)
 
Jesus, can we have another thread for serious discussion of animal rights/cruelty? This one was better when it was a list of ways to wind your pet up for kicks.
 
I have an indoor cat in my 3rd floor flat. When people hear this they often pull that face that says "I'm not sure I approve of that". So I explain that he has to be indoors because he's FIV (HIV for cats). He can't have contact with other cats due to his lowered immune system and infectiousness.

And he's perfectly happy, bless his socks. So you could investigate that possibility - your local cat shelter is bound to have some FIV cats they can't give away.
 
billy_bob said:
Jesus, can we have another thread for serious discussion of animal rights/cruelty? This one was better when it was a list of ways to wind your pet up for kicks.
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It's quite funny how it's evolved from admitting wanton cruelty to your own pets to the ethics of cat ownership :D

I notice no-one has questionned the morality of poking and prodding cats for fun :p
 
beeboo said:
I notice no-one has questionned the morality of poking and prodding cats for fun :p
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Well, cats themselves do it to each other for fun so I doubt there is much of an issue there? :D
 
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