Cartoon riots in Nigeria: 16 dead

[JHE]

I think things can have more than one cause.

Let me illustrate what I mean with a metaphor. Suppose you have a chemical plant run by a company that cares more about profits than human life, where the safety procedures are not being properly observed, poor quality materials are being used and so on, corners are being cut, eventually resulting in the leak of flammable vapours. A spark occurs, causing a massive explosion.

What was the cause of the explosion? Was it only the spark?

The analogy is not bad. Islam is highly flammable.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

The analogy is not bad. Islam is highly flammable.

I intended the flammable gas to represent the constituency of radicalised muslims who were rioting and the spark to stand in for that cartoon.

Just don't forget the rest of the metaphor eh?

 

[rogue yam]

And this, I imagine, will be believed by many who watch the film.

It is interesting to me that this article refers to the Gary Busey role as simply an "American doctor". Every other piece I've seen on this film describes the character Busey plays as a "Jewish-American doctor". This omission seems a deliberate attempt to obscure the anti-Semitism of the film. And yes, I do expect that this will be believed by many who watch the film.

 

[vimto]

It is interesting to me that this article refers to the Gary Busey role as simply an "American doctor". Every other piece I've seen on this film describes the character Busey plays as a "Jewish-American doctor". This omission seems a deliberate attempt to obscure the anti-Semitism of the film. And yes, I do expect that this will be believed by many who watch the film.

Yeah probably in exactly the same way as many of your fellow countrymen are fooled by some of the shit that pours out of your own film industry.

 

[rogue yam]

Yeah probably in exactly the same way as many of your fellow countrymen are fooled by some of the shit that pours out of your own film industry.

Whatever.

 

[vimto]

Whatever.

It's Catherine Tate amd I claim my 5 euros.

Am I bovvered?

 

[mears]

Going back to what I was saying before about a context of strong anti-western sentiments pre-dating this business about cartoons, take a look at this story: source

It's worth bearing in mind that Turkey was about the most trustworthy ally the US had in the region up until the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq.

What does this have to do with the cartoons?

 

[mears]

I think things can have more than one cause.

Let me illustrate what I mean with a metaphor. Suppose you have a chemical plant run by a company that cares more about profits than human life, where the safety procedures are not being properly observed, poor quality materials are being used and so on, corners are being cut, eventually resulting in the leak of flammable vapours. A spark occurs, causing a massive explosion.

What was the cause of the explosion? Was it only the spark?

So I take it the chemical plant represents authoritarian governments in the ME like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. They care more about clinging on to power than being accountable to their people via open, transparent elections. These governments that don't provide jobs for their people like Mohammad Atta in Egypt. Or those governments who have mysterious, unelected men who decide who can and can't run for office. Or those family dynasties that still pass power to the sons, without benefit of giving the people a vote.

Cutting corners indeed. Enough to cause an explosion.

Is that what you are getting at?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So I take it the chemical plant represents authoritarian governments in the ME like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. They care more about clinging on to power than being accountable to their people via open, transparent elections. These governments that don't provide jobs for their people like Mohammad Atta in Egypt. Or those governments who have mysterious, unelected men who decide who can and can't run for office. Or those family dynasties that still pass power to the sons, without benefit of giving the people a vote.

Cutting corners indeed. Enough to cause an explosion.

Is that what you are getting at?

Pretty much.

But for such things to happen, you have to have a regulatory environment that lets them, which would represent the present global economic system.

 

[mears]

Pretty much.

But for such things to happen, you have to have a regulatory environment that lets them, which would represent the present global economic system.

So the global economic system. What have they done wrong?

 

[friedaweed]

Cartoons my arse

It's funny innit. The same thing happened in the Danish thread. The same people continue to shout about these incidents but they wont consider an ounce of thought on discussing the context in which they're set

Anyone else see a theme in their arguments?

Reap what you so Amerikkan and UK foreign policy breeds hatred. Cartoons just make it easier to understand for the gullible on both sides.

Cause and effect

Don't moral panic Capt. Mainwaring

 

[friedaweed]

This is great fun..

So I take it the chemical plant represents authoritarian governments in the ME like Egypt, They care more about clinging on to power than being accountable to their people via open, transparent elections. These governments that don't provide jobs for their people like Mohammad Atta in Egypt.

http://www.president-bush.com/medieval-torture.html

Or those family dynasties that still pass power to the sons, without benefit of giving the people a vote.

funny as fuck

Cutting corners indeed. Enough to cause an explosion.

Like outsourcing torture or getting home gaurd fraggers to run your military prisons?

Is that what you are getting at

I think you've got it kid

You bushbots got a thing for Egypt haven't you Mears

 

[rogue yam]

It's funny innit. The same thing happened in the Danish thread. The same people continue to shout about these incidents but they wont consider an ounce of thought on discussing the context in which they're set

You are displaying arrogance and little else. In your mind it is impossible that someone could look at the situation, in context, and come to a different conclusion than you. There can be no difference of values or analysis, only lack of intelligence or education equal to yours.

So what about this lady? Is she ignorant or stupid?

We were brought up to hate - and we do
By Nonie Darwish
Telegraph.uk
(Filed: 12/02/2006)

The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/12/do1205.xml

 

[Bernie Gunther]

If I may be permitted a small embellishment to the metaphor I suggested earlier, the Bush-Cheney administration is the nutcase who staggers into the faulty chemical plant drunk and starts firing a gun randomly into the works.

 

[vimto]

Chucks another log onto the fire

 

[friedaweed]

The usual condescending tripe

So what about this lady? Is she ignorant or stupid?




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/12/do1205.xml

Calling people stupid and retarded is not my style spam but don't let me stop you.

I actually think that your link makes my point. It puts it in context. I don't have a problem with people with differing opinions which is why i don't paint everybody with the wrong right, left and right, self righteous twat v's lefty colours like your good self. You're into good guys and bad guys spam don't drag us all into your little world now

Thanks for the link i enjoyed it <<Inset kissing you smiley here>>

So do you think Iraq, Afghanistan, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Fallujah, Israel, or Thripenny Spears(ooh baby baby) has anything to do with the anger that was sparked by these cartoons?

 

[Lock&Light]

Chucks another log onto the fire

I've noticed how much you love burning your own fingers.

 

[friedaweed]

It's always so cosy in here

 

[vimto]

It's always so cosy in here

Lights spliff

 

[rogue yam]

So do you think Iraq, Afghanistan, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Fallujah, Israel, or Thripenny Spears(ooh baby baby) has anything to do with the anger that was sparked by these cartoons?

These are just words, not ideas. Does propaganda propagandize? Well, of course. Yet you pretend to be saying something more. What is it? That some hatred is justified?

 

[friedaweed]

Lights spliff

*Loads bowl for Rogue Yam.
Come on yammy smoke a bowl of peace with us

*Offers a light up.....awaits Nancy Reagan's response.

 

[vimto]

I dont think yam is the inhaling type to be quite honest with you

 

[friedaweed]

Not answering then...?

These are just words, not ideas. Does propaganda propagandize? Well, of course. Yet you pretend to be saying something more. What is it? That some hatred is justified?

You got me thinking deep again tonight yammy. You know i'm gonna think that one over a while and get back to ya. I love it when you mature guys are about to teach us kids dude.
Does Amerikkka hate it's enemies or is it just looking to democratize them?
What makes someone hate so much they will piss on a holy book?

 

[mears]

http://www.president-bush.com/medieval-torture.html

funny as fuck


Like outsourcing torture or getting home gaurd fraggers to run your military prisons?


I think you've got it kid

You bushbots got a thing for Egypt haven't you Mears

But, between the two Bushes you had someone from a rival party, Bill Clinotn. Just don't get that in the ME do you.

All America all the time

 

[friedaweed]

We're all kids anyway according to rogue state

I dont think yam is the inhaling type to be quite honest with you

**Slips into Bill and Ted mode
I do wish they would send Renty back from freeperville but this guys a good substitute. I think he imagines a scenario where he is Rod from Rod, Jane and Freddy. You know the dudes from rainbow. Bagsy being Zippy you can be George vimto. Oh go on let me be zippy tonight.

Up above the streets and house rainbow climbing high.

Go on Yammy bury the hatchet and take a sec to suck on this bowl. This skuff's from Amsterdam dude i thought all you Amerikkans did Amsterdam.


That should reassure his superiority complex

 

[vimto]

Puts hand up to be Zippy.

I really don't see myself as being a George type character frieda

 

[vimto]

Mears can be Geoffrey

 

[friedaweed]

Puts hand up to be Zippy.

I really don't see myself as being a George type character frieda

I know

 

[exosculate]

Mears can be Geoffrey

Hey Vimto. I think you are a good poster. How come you were banned from the tolling gang?

 

[friedaweed]

Mears can be Geoffrey

Plebs as Bungle anyone?