Caroline Lucas wins Brighton selection

[Louis MacNeice]

... it's only middle class up it's own arse Brighton and it would never happen anywhere else in the country. And so would be easily dismissed. ...

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[liberty123]

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Oh yes i'm sure it's support in brighton comes primarily from the couple of sink estates safely located on the periphery of the borough. Sink estates are of course noted as hotbeds of social consciousness and political activity...

 

[Larry O'Hara]

speaking as a Green Party member, I always like the old German Green policy of rotation. Therefore, the idea that somebody who is already an MEP should seek to be an MP is well doesn't impress. Sadly, mine is a minority view.

 

[lewislewis]

who is going to care about one MP when everywhere else the greens get risible paltry results?

Don't know if the national question makes this totally different (in which case my post is irrelevant), but when the first ever Plaid Cymru MP Gwynfor Evans was elected it totally changed the course of politics in Wales and started an awakening across the country that there was an alternative. Perhaps a Green MP could result in a similar, though understandably more limited, surge?

 

[liberty123]

Don't know if the national question makes this totally different (in which case my post is irrelevant), but when the first ever Plaid Cymru MP Gwynfor Evans was elected it totally changed the course of politics in Wales and started an awakening across the country that there was an alternative. Perhaps a Green MP could result in a similar, though understandably more limited, surge?

yes but there's probably only a dozen or so seats in Wales anyway.

 

[keicar]

when the first ever Plaid Cymru MP Gwynfor Evans was elected it totally changed the course of politics in Wales and started an awakening across the country that there was an alternative. Perhaps a Green MP could result in a similar, though understandably more limited, surge?

But the Greens *aren't* an alternative, as this sort of skullduggery demostrates.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

... Respect is an Islamic party,...

Must be why they've got a Sikh for a candidate in Southall.

 

[Matt S]

>>as this sort of skullduggery indicates>>

Yes, the appalling tyranny of the local party making a democratic choice about its candidate, and choosing someone who has been one of the foremost progressive voices in left politics over the last ten years. Shameful!

Matt

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Oh yes i'm sure it's support in brighton comes primarily from the couple of sink estates safely located on the periphery of the borough. Sink estates are of course noted as hotbeds of social consciousness and political activity...

I wasn't making a comment about where the Greens do or don't draw their support from. I was challenging what I took to be your characterisation of Brighton as middle class.

While I'm at it I would also like you to have a think again about describing Coldean, Bevendean, Hollingbury, Whitehawk and Moulscombe (I can add more pictures and names if you want) as 'sink estates'.

And finally the working class aren't confined to the 'periphery of the borough'; for example Carlton Hill Primary School has one of the largest proportions of children getting free school meals in the city, yet in no way could it be described as being on the periphery.

Louis MacNeice (born in Brighton 45 years ago...living in Brighton now)

 

[likesfish]

fuck off liberty you cunt
I live on one of those so called sink estates so you can just fuck off cunt

 

[biff curtains]

fuck off liberty you cunt
I live on one of those so called sink estates so you can just fuck off cunt

pov

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Respect is an Islamic party

since when?

 

[guinnessdrinker]

The political version of a MILF

it may be funny to you, but what's a MILF?

 

[keicar]

>>as this sort of skullduggery indicates>>

Yes, the appalling tyranny of the local party making a democratic choice about its candidate, and choosing someone who has been one of the foremost progressive voices in left politics over the last ten years. Shameful!

Matt

OK last post on this.

To me this is rather like the football chant "where were you when we were shit?!"

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[keicar]

 

[Matt S]

She's represented Brighton for the last eight years as an MEP, and was invited to stand by local party members, a majority of whom then elected her!

You clearly have an axe to grind - thats fine. I suspect Caroline will do much better than you expect, because she is one of the most talented left politicians of the last decade, but we shall see.

Matt

 

[Nigel]

Nuke Brighton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And finally the working class aren't confined to the 'periphery of the borough'; for example Carlton Hill Primary School has one of the largest proportions of children getting free school meals in the city, yet in no way could it be described as being on the periphery.

Louis MacNeice (born in Brighton 45 years ago...living in Brighton now)[/QUOTE]

Thats only because their parents are space cadet hippies who can't wipe their own bottoms.

Moulscomb I always found to be a quite a workng class area for generations rather than a sink estate. Remember canvassing for the SLP in an estate around that area. Mostly staunch Labour but quite sympathetic towards us.

Areas between Hove & Shorehan/Lancing would be considered working class areas.

Interesting how much of the middle class left/greens like to stick within their ghetto relying on moral guilt trips to gain votes among their own kind!!!!!!
Areas between Hove &

 

[keicar]

OK was going to PM this, but I thought it was more honest to post it here........

You clearly have an axe to grind

Yes, I do to the extent I think the Green party to which you belong are a bunch of clueless middle class sandal wearing hippies. I think your Green taxation will hit the poorest hardest, and your proposals for a 90% CO2 cut will fuck our economy beyond repair..

I bear you no ill will personally, it's your politics and those of your party I can't abide.

So now we both know where we stand, which is much more honest don't you think?

 

[butchersapron]

Whose economy?

 

[keicar]

Whose economy?

Britain's of course.......

 

[butchersapron]

Not mine then. The bosses you mean?

 

[liberty123]

I wasn't making a comment about where the Greens do or don't draw their support from. I was challenging what I took to be your characterisation of Brighton as middle class.

While I'm at it I would also like you to have a think again about describing Coldean, Bevendean, Hollingbury, Whitehawk and Moulscombe (I can add more pictures and names if you want) as 'sink estates'.

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But these are outlying areas. ALL towns have council estates somewhere. We're talking specifically about the Brighton pavillion constituency here. This is the heart of brighton's metropolitan bohemia and is unlike anywhere else in the country. And lets not forget the support of all those thousands of middle aged crusties and gays etc which make this ward unique only took the greens to third behind the tories at the last election.

 

[liberty123]

Sedgefield :Chris Haine (Green) 348 (1.24%)

Nice to see the greens can plot national domination

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I wasn't making a comment about where the Greens do or don't draw their support from. I was challenging what I took to be your characterisation of Brighton as middle class.

While I'm at it I would also like you to have a think again about describing Coldean, Bevendean, Hollingbury, Whitehawk and Moulscombe (I can add more pictures and names if you want) as 'sink estates'.

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But these are outlying areas. ALL towns have council estates somewhere. We're talking specifically about the Brighton pavillion constituency here. This is the heart of brighton's metropolitan bohemia and is unlike anywhere else in the country. And lets not forget the support of all those thousands of middle aged crusties and gays etc which make this ward unique only took the greens to third behind the tories at the last election.

I think we're talking at cross purposes here; I repeat I'm not talking about where the greens get their support from, but rather what I took to be your characterisation of the town. While it is true that many working class people have over a long period of time, been pushed out from the centre, they are still there in significant numbers; see my post re. Carlton Hill school as evidence of this (oh and ignore Nigel's ill informed dig at Carlton Hill parents...I was at the school fair then other weekend and it wasn't populated by hippy space cadets).

On a different note the Green success in Brighton is due in no small part to Labour's failure; Labour has lost both votes and members (including at least one of their current councillors) to the Greens. Interestingly the SWP have also lost a once very active player to the Greens as well. Perhaps they really do have the potential to become the natural home for right on left of centre liberals?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[liberty123]

I think we're talking at cross purposes here; I repeat I'm not talking about where the greens get their support from, but rather what I took to be your characterisation of the town. While it is true that many working class people have over a long period of time, been pushed out from the centre, they are still there in significant numbers; see my post re. Carlton Hill school as evidence of this (oh and ignore Nigel's ill informed dig at Carlton Hill parents...I was at the school fair then other weekend and it wasn't populated by hippy space cadets).

On a different note the Green success in Brighton is due in no small part to Labour's failure; Labour has lost both votes and members (including at least one of their current councillors) to the Greens. Interestingly the SWP have also lost a once very active player to the Greens as well. Perhaps they really do have the potential to become the natural home for right on left of centre liberals?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Well moving on from the characterisation of Brighton, I think the greens would be the moral choice in any election. BUt I think the british people are too "het up" to vote green. Places where they gain like brighton are uniquely laid back and indeed countries- like the serious but surprisingly throughtfully socially conscious germans where they have become the partner in government. I think the british protest vote in a country marked by binge drinking and expectations of a future white verses muslim race war etc etc will go towards a party like the BNP- which is more of an emotional rush - sticking a finger up at the establishment.

 

[liberty123]

Well moving on from the characterisation of Brighton, I think the greens would be the moral choice in any election. BUt I think the british people are too "het up" to vote green. Places where they gain like brighton are uniquely laid back and indeed countries- like the serious but surprisingly throughtfully socially conscious germans where they have become the partner in government. I think the british protest vote in a country marked by binge drinking and expectations of a future white verses muslim race war etc etc will go towards a party like the BNP- which is more of an emotional rush - sticking a finger up at the establishment.

I think oyu have to be a peace with the world to vote green

 

[greenfield]

I think the british people are too "het up" to vote green. ... I think the british protest vote in a country marked by binge drinking and expectations of a future white verses muslim race war etc etc will go towards a party like the BNP- which is more of an emotional rush - sticking a finger up at the establishment.

Christ on a bike. What a horrible version of the world you live in.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Christ on a bike. What a horrible version of the world you live in.

Hello Greenfield - just to getb this straight, If you check the posts you'll see I didn't say that...Liberty did...I was going to ask them to edit their post to make it clear, but couldn't be bothered. I think Liberty is overwhelmingly though not entirely wrong on this.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[liberty123]

Christ on a bike. What a horrible version of the world you live in.

I don't know really - I'm not going to talk up racial divison but have you not come across people who think a racial war is ultimately on the cards?
Certainly in Ealing there is alot of trouble between hindu and muslim or sikh and muslim. In that sort of environment it's very unlikely people are going to vote in terms of worries of global warming. hence the green party may as well not of stood.

 

[greenfield]

Hello Greenfield - just to getb this straight, If you check the posts you'll see I didn't say that...Liberty did...I was going to ask them to edit their post to make it clear, but couldn't be bothered. I think Liberty is overwhelmingly though not entirely wrong on this.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Soz Louis. My mistake.