Carlton Mansions co-op in Brixton comes under pressure

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. boohoo

    boohoo No.

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  2. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    I'm a bit out of touch with this thread. What are you on about? What have I done this time?!!
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  3. boohoo

    boohoo No.

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  4. boohoo

    boohoo No.

    Anyway - if someone who like to remove these time wasting posts off here, please do. I would prefer this thread to be focussed on the issue of Carlton Mansion. :)
  5. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Oh. Ok. I consider myself well and truly chastised. I hope he/she feels better now.
  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I have to say, the "schooled in lefty politics" was quite hurtful, but not because it's dismissive - because I'm not a lefty: I'm an autonomist anarchist, and have very little time for "lefties"! ;) ;) ;)
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  7. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    TBF, I don't believe it's even possible to convey much to do with modern politics in Marxist jargon (obscure or not) anymore. That'd be like trying to explain Marxism-informed political theory by referencing the language and thought of Ricardo or another dead white economist from the preceding generation to Marx!
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  8. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    According to Lambeth Heritage Festival booklet - which I was just given, then is a showing of a film called For What We are about to Lose Part one: Carlton Mansions at the Ritzy on 29th September at 6 pm
    Price FREE
    The booking sire however says sales finished (all taken presumably)
    For What we are about to Lose

    Anyone know anything about this?

    Maybe if the Ritzy put it in Screen 5 and it is indeed booked out the festival organisers should consider another performance or a bigger venue?
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  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I didn't know a date was set. I will ask the documentary film maker about this.

    The doc is being edited at the moment. I took part in it and persuaded other ex Coop members to take part. It has members from when the Coop was first set up. Also got permission to film in the Mansions. Did two days filming in Mansions.

    I wasn't keen at first. Neither were most of the ex Coop members. After how it ended didn't want to go over it. I was also concerned about media.

    It's Heritage lottery funded so major part is to have permanent oral history record. Which will be in the Archives. The film will use excerpts from the interviews.

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  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Ive emailed the documentary film maker about the showing and tickets.

    Personally I wanted to make sure the history of Short Life housing was recorded. These along with the Coop and my archives of S/L should make a comprehensive historical record.

    I wanted to make sure that how S/L worked to use buildings that would otherwise be left empty is recorded.

    Its still relevant now. Instead its private companies doing it now- "so called Guardians". Making a profit out of it.
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  11. boohoo

    boohoo No.

    I was recently aware that it was going in the programme. And I was just about to email the film maker about making sure that we all get to see it before it is made public (this is really important as it took a lot to gain people's trust).

    I am slightly concerned that this is quite a short period for any changes.
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  12. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I think it's possible Eventbrite might now be taking bookings. Said 80 seats available just now on my portable device.
    I will try again in the morning on the PC (so I can print a ticket - if available)
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  13. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    TBF, digital editing means that changes that used to require a lot of mucking about with razors and splicers, take minutes.
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  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The problem was that the cut off date for booking had been set wrong. So it's been reset.

    It's free event.

    I have not seen the rough cut yet.

    It should be interesting as it was nearly all filmed in the Mansions.

    With people from the early days through to the end.

    Little of S/L has been recorded to this extent.

    There is also a lady from the pre Coop days who was there in the 1950s.
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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I am as well. I was very wary of it. Still a bit concerned about final outcome.

    The really important bit was getting the oral history recorded.

    What interpretation a film maker will put on the source material is there personal one.
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  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Did you book a ticket? I have had a few people I know asking me about it and it looks like all the tickets are gone now.

    Some of us ex Coop members are not happy (boohoo ) with the end result. Despite talks with the documentary film maker over past weeks she is not going to re edit any of it before the showing.
  17. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I got a ticket OK - ordered back in July. So waiting to see what the end result actually is.
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  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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  19. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

    Lambeth don't give a shit
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  20. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The water has been flowing out of the building for months and it's going to be dangerous when it freezes over. How can they not have noticed?
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  21. This is so sad.
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  22. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

    noticing and doing something about it are not the same thing, I take no pleasure from saying it but I suspect this all points to demolition by stealth.
  23. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    If the water is coming from inside it does not bode well for the building...
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  24. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It may be the stop cock on the ground floor, but if it's anywhere upstairs, the building is going to be fucked. It's been going on for months and months too. They can't have not noticed it either as it's been creating a mini-river in the street for 50 metres or so and I've seen workmen around that area several times (but not attending to this).
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  25. sparkybird

    sparkybird ask the bird...

    You can report a leak to Thames Water
    Report a leak or burst pipe - Bursts and leaks - Thames Water

    I realize that the leak might NOT be from the Thames Water side, but I guess reporting it might make them take a look?
    I've reported several over the last 12 months and am pleasantly surpised at the speed they get fixed
  26. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Looks to me like the water is coming from the clearway between the building and the railway viaduct, rather than through the building. If the butchers(?) that occupy that railway arch have access to the bit at the back then surely they should be the first stop to find out where it's coming from.
  27. madolesance

    madolesance Well-Known Member

    Worth reporting.
  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The water is coming from Carlton Mansions. I had a look through the gates.

    I did offer to help the Council keep an eye on the Mansions after we left and it was empty. I know the building. Elements in the Council didn't want me anywhere near the Mansions once they had got vacant possession. Neil Vokes was keen- he was lead officer then. But it was not up to him.

    The leak is coming from the building so is not responsibility of Thames Water.

    I am concerned for the building. The longer it's left empty and not looked after the more it will deteriorate.
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  29. madolesance

    madolesance Well-Known Member

    You mention 'it's not the responsibility of Thames Water', but it is as no one is paying for the supply. They have the means to turn of the supply off as it's no longer needed, as the building is no longer occupied.
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  30. Has anyone rung Thames Water this morning?

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