littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ah well. They won't have to play one another next season when Carew are relegated to Div 2.
Carew Cricket Club (Pembroke CC League): Wankers!
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Athos
Well-Known Member
I'm against both.
You wouldn't have to. You'd be able to look at pride at your fair play award and coming a respectable 5th.
Seriously Spy, how long is it since you've played league cricket at a decent level? Its ferocious, grudges last for years, decades even, sometimes generations. I guarantee there was some bad blood between the teams and the familiar call of "Fuck em" resounded around the changing room.
You play to win and if that's what it takes you do it, no rules have been broken as far as I can see and as I said at the start if people want to over complicate matters by introducing points etc then that's not the players fault.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is the rule that was broken. And as Brian Rose found out, it still applies even if it isn't written down.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
They would, however, have to play Cresselly 2nds, who have just won Division 3.
LEAGUE RESULTS : Pembroke County Cricket Club
The league, you play to win the league.
Cucumber sandwiches, milky tea and a warm round of applause for everyone. Then we all go to the village pub and have a right good laugh, both teams together. Push bikes for wickets, jumpers for goalposts etc
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'll take a bet with you right now that they'll be stripped of the league. In which case, their tactic will have not only made them look like cunts but have failed in its purpose. Just as it did for Brian Rose.
Possibly if there are a load of cowards in blazers who run the league.
Weirdly though, you now appear to be the one who advocates breaking the rules. If they do strip them of the title that would be a far bigger scandal. How can you have any trust in the league if they just make shit up as they go along because they are embarrassed by their own ineptitude to not foresee this?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Or just, you know, play better than them.
My only experience of league cricket is as a kid playing for the town club in friendlies. If this kind of thing had happened then to me, turning up eager to bowl and bat and field and do everything, a fiver in my pocket to pay for the day, I wouldn't have been going back in a hurry (and I mean that from the point of view of being in the team that threw the match not the other team). I'd have been fucking gutted.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Over 15 years myself, but I still skipper a club who currently play a half decent standard in the league. If one of our Saturday captains did that there'd be uproar. Sure there are rivalries and grudges but they don't get that far. I think the worst we've had this year is an oppo side taking advantage of a few drops of rain to abandon a match. I genuinely don't think a win is worthwhile if there's no honour in it. Especially at club level.
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As opposed to not playing at all to win.
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Should teams appeal even if they know its not out? Should captain's recall a batsman if they think the umpire has got it wrong? Should bowlers be able to manipulate the umpire? Should the fielding side be allowed to sledge a batsman? Should fielders on the boundary spend the afternoon kicking the rope further and further out? Should the w/k be allowed to rough up the pitch after every delivery?
We all know the answer to these things but what actually happens out there is a different world. I've already given one example of a league where unsporting declarations are hard wired into the rules.
Its all just part of the game, shouldn't be but it is and if you want to compete you have to do what you have to do.
We all know the answer to these things but what actually happens out there is a different world. I've already given one example of a league where unsporting declarations are hard wired into the rules.
Its all just part of the game, shouldn't be but it is and if you want to compete you have to do what you have to do.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Everything you mention here (and I'm not condoning any of it btw) is intended to help you win the match. As are mankading and not walking. And as was bodyline.
A job coaching in England in the 90's for this man.
You and Spy are Atherton's generation. A great time when home groundsman would refuse to prepare a pitch that was friendly to England. A wonderful time when the aussies smashed us to pieces. We lost well and frequently.
Not sure about this, maybe things are different in the rarefied air of London. But I've seen a lot worse than you describe in friendlies this season.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Would that be the Atherton who roughed up the ball with dirt in his pockets?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No.
Yes, and I have done.
No.
I think it often goes too far.
Absolutely not.
No
Bollocks. Teams win fair and square all the time without doing any of that shit.
Do what it takes to win the match but not the league. What on earth is the point of having a league then? The purpose is to win the league, no? What a bizarre distinction.
He couldn't even do that properly.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Dig up the pitch the night before. Match abandoned. Job done.
Sorry to say this but if I was playing league I wouldn't want you as my captain because we wouldn't be on a level playing field with the over teams.
Seen it done. Well, they poured petrol on it and set fire to it.
Anyway, as fun as this has been I'm now off to actually play Cricket. Fortunately the weather looks a bit better further West. Don't worry though chaps it's a friendly (tour match) so it'll be hearty slaps on the back and lashings and lashings of ginger beer all round.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And whoever did that, whether or not the rules mentioned such a thing or not, should be kicked out of the league, no? You just make my point for me really. The idea that this should depend on what is written down is absurd. You can't write down every eventuality. Unwritten rule number one: you turn up and you try your best.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You would be though. This idea of yours that everyone cheats to win is utter tosh. Some teams do and are known and despised for it. Even at Reading (ones) in my 20s, the game wasn't routinely played the way you seem to think it is. There'd be occasional situations but they were the exception rather than the rule.
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Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
In our friendly at the weekend a batsmen on their team was given out caught (by their umpire. He stood his ground and was adamant he hadn't nicked it and after a little chat our players confirmed it. We asked the umpire to reverse the decision, effectively withdrawing the appeal, and it was, no pleasure in knowing it wasn't a dismissal. In a league match he would have had to go as umpires' decisions are not to be questioned i would think, and would have probably got a warning for not leaving the field when given out?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The fielding skipper could have called him back in a league match by withdrawing the appeal (with the umpires consent) after the decision.
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Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Yes, but it was his initial refusing to leave that made us aware when the keeper confirmed he hadnt hit it. If he had done that in a league match not sure if the outcome would have been the same, the focus should be on his not leaving, not whether he hit it... Maybe? Who knows!
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Ooo its like a episode of ask the umpire
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well he should walk really but it's hard when you fucking know you didn't hit it! Quite a few batsman make their displeasure known in league games. It's not like they have a match fee to lose is it?
In a lot of league games the umpire will still be a team mate of the batsman too, which often doesn't aid dignified exits.
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