As if life isn't complicated enough another looney resource hungry scheme is brought into the fray!
Car tax going up ^^^^
- Thread starter jusali
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As if life isn't complicated enough another looney resource hungry scheme is brought into the fray!
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Stop fucking crying and get a smaller car then.
Sounds good.but
food going up, petrol going up, road tax...and now I'm sounding like my old man.
Kanda
Diving wanker
zenie
>^^<
You're really missing the point here, my fault for fighting two fronts here, it's confusing I know. I'm probably gonna buy the same car pre 2001 if I'm gonna be perfectly honest or ring mine with a scrapped one. I'm more than intelligent enough to get round it as is most the population
The planets fucked we're running out of oil and yet the government is still trying to squeeze more out of us in the name of environmet which is my point.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
2 things:
Hmm, see, nothing that jusali has to do to affect his/her lifestyle.
You're driving a 2l car. No civilian car user needs an engine with that CC or fuel consumption. Yes the govt should be doing all those things, but you shouldn't be driving around in a deeply fuel inefficient car.
Personally I think that unless you can claim special classic exception, and be prepared to pay thru the nose for it, any car built before 2000 should be forced to be scrapped, and a whole raft of laws about recylcling %s in car manufacture as well as tighter emissions and limits on engine capacity.
I love cars, I really do. I love driving (fast) and I love supercars, heavily modified cars and V10s and V12 engines. But I want kids, and cars, more than ever, are now a privilege to own and use.
Hmm, see, nothing that jusali has to do to affect his/her lifestyle.
You're driving a 2l car. No civilian car user needs an engine with that CC or fuel consumption. Yes the govt should be doing all those things, but you shouldn't be driving around in a deeply fuel inefficient car.
Personally I think that unless you can claim special classic exception, and be prepared to pay thru the nose for it, any car built before 2000 should be forced to be scrapped, and a whole raft of laws about recylcling %s in car manufacture as well as tighter emissions and limits on engine capacity.
I love cars, I really do. I love driving (fast) and I love supercars, heavily modified cars and V10s and V12 engines. But I want kids, and cars, more than ever, are now a privilege to own and use.
Please get over yourself Kyser, it means me and mine won't be getting strawberries for christmas and my cheap holidays to the Costa will go up the swanney and the chavs will be able to stab my children 'cos it will be dark on the street corner
As a classic car enthusiast I strongly disagree with that in principle, and there's also the fact that older cars that are still in regular service are usually owned by those who can't afford something newer, who it would be rather unfair to penalise. But in practice there's no need for it anyway. I don't know what the average life of a car is these days - it used to be ten or fifteen years - but think about the cars you see on the roads. There are comparatively few cars older than fifteen years old in daily use.
I think that's probably why the government have just left the rules alone for older cars: it's a problem that will go away of its own accord over the next few years as older cars are scrapped. Those that remain usually don't cover all that many miles anyway, and therefore don't represent that much of an issue in terms of pollution or congestion.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Ironically, a 1971 500ci Cadillac Eldorado has free road tax
But kyser....it's too late. No matter what we do, or if we have even caused it, we will be unable to stop the effects of climate change. Consider simply the massive CO2 output ahead from China and India...
zenie
>^^<
S'true I drove my (non exempt by a year
) (no longer owned by me) '74 mini clubman estate as a daily driver, rather than weekend car for a few weeks when my cooper was off the road, man those drum brakes were scary 
998's can be quick though, it's just, the, stopping problem.....
Classic cars often tend to be better looked after serviced more regularly than newer cars to, and they don't deprecciate in value. Parts are getting tricky though
They should do away with road tax (VED) and put it on petrol.
Then, the amount you pay corresponds exactly to the fuel used. You can drive 50,000 miles a year in a small car, or 25,000 miles in a bigger car, or 10,000 miles in a very big car. Same fuel, should be same tax.
If you have a big car, but you only use it for the times you really need a big car (or a car at all) like transporting several people and their luggage, it is somewhat unfair that you get taxed more simply for owning it, as opposed to the person who may have a smaller vehicle, but drives everywhere they can, even when they could walk / cycle etc.
And, we would all save on the massive bureaucracy (not very green) of sending out millions of reminders and chase-up letters, man-hours spent in queueing in post offices, enforcement staff with wheel-clamps, police time chasing people etc etc etc.
You can't (easily) escape petrol tax - it is perfectly fair.
I am all for simplifying the method of raising tax AND making it more accurately reflect road and fuel usage.
Giles..
Then, the amount you pay corresponds exactly to the fuel used. You can drive 50,000 miles a year in a small car, or 25,000 miles in a bigger car, or 10,000 miles in a very big car. Same fuel, should be same tax.
If you have a big car, but you only use it for the times you really need a big car (or a car at all) like transporting several people and their luggage, it is somewhat unfair that you get taxed more simply for owning it, as opposed to the person who may have a smaller vehicle, but drives everywhere they can, even when they could walk / cycle etc.
And, we would all save on the massive bureaucracy (not very green) of sending out millions of reminders and chase-up letters, man-hours spent in queueing in post offices, enforcement staff with wheel-clamps, police time chasing people etc etc etc.
You can't (easily) escape petrol tax - it is perfectly fair.
I am all for simplifying the method of raising tax AND making it more accurately reflect road and fuel usage.
Giles..
Yeah, Giles what a wonderful idea
I'd say it would probably have to rise as people reduce their mileage crispy
Crispy
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Ah good. As people reduce their mileage, the roads should need less maintenanceYeah, Giles what a wonderful idea
I'd say it would probably have to rise as people reduce their mileage crispy
roryer
道可道非常道，名可名非常名
So I hardly ever drive but have a 2litre estate registered in 2001
That'll be 400 pounds please! twice as much as last year. So the market value has been cut overnight and I'm lumbered with car tax that's higher than insurance? Is the government gonna buy me a new car? Is the fact that I cycle to work every day not enough? Has anyone tried transporting 2 toddlers and all their kit, to their grandparents on a weekend on a non existant Public transport that is in their rural communities? Has all this extra revenue of fuel and increased car taxation actually been spent on green iniatives? It's fucking liberty.
I empathise with you, when carrying heavy loads or travelling with very young children, in some areas the only practical alternative to driving is taking taxis.
In your circumstance I guess you are just going to have to take a hit on the sales price, and get rid of the thing, and join a car club or just rent hire cars when you need to drive. It will certainly be cheaper than maintaining a car, even if you drive a couple of times a month.
I also agree the national government is rubbish, too scared of the road lobby to actually do anything to solve our transport crisis. The road tax should be much higher, tax on petrol should be much higher, and with this money should be earmarked for sustainable transport infrastructure, such as investment in trams, BRT lanes, demand responsive buses for rural areas, and better urban planning.
We shoud have introduced road pricing already, and reduced parking and road space for cars to free up space for safe segregated cycleways, HOV lanes, HOT and bus lanes.
When did they "force old cars off the road"? They surely haven't forced mine anywhere.
If you mean stopping the sale of leaded petrol, all you need is to either tip a capful of some lead substitute stuff in each tankful, or get an unleaded cylinder head. I did the latter.
Giles..
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
That car should be scrapped.
just cos you're right, doesn't mean you're not incredibly unhelpful.
You'll be fine (for now) as your car's pre 2001.
thank you zenie. so if i bought a newer car i'd end up paying more tax? wtf?
just cos you're right, doesn't mean you're not incredibly unhelpful.
thank you zenie. so if i bought a newer car i'd end up paying more tax? wtf?
Yeah and lets not forget the VAT on the sale
Pingu
Credo
despite doing a lot of miles I agree with this. I also feel that there should be a further fee that does 3rd party insurance so the more you drive the more you pay and no-one is uninsured.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
That would be bliss. Buy a road-worthy car and drive it away - no quotes, no forms, no queues, no telephones, no nothing.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Yeah and lets not forget the VAT on the sale
but i have no problem at all with paying vat or road tax, i just don't understand why the same car would cost more to tax if it were newer - and, therefore, presumably, less polluting...
but i have no problem at all with paying vat or road tax, i just don't understand why the same car would cost more to tax if it were newer - and, therefore, presumably, less polluting...
You don't have a problem with it though? Just do as you're told, it's good for the environment to pay more tax
