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Car tax going up ^^^^

Ok, I'm being stupid here. I don't understand this at all, so can someone explain it please, in very simple terms. How do I find out the emissions of my car? Whys is pre 2001 cheaper - I thought older cars were going to be taxed more heavily?

Arrrgh - I'm confused of wiltshire this morning.:o
 
kyser_soze said:
Ermmm...I've always been 'in favour' of the environment monkey boy. If you don't want to give the govt that money, get a smaller car or hire one. Pretty fucking easy really.
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Why not have a road tax policy that is fair and actually targets those who put out the most CO2? Tax it on miles.

What you are supporting doesn't actually aim to help the environment. It is revenue gathering pure and simple. You muppet.
 
I forget exactly when or why, but didn't they cynically shift the car taxing responsibility to the DTI around the time they forced old cars off the road ... was it the lead in petrol thing ?

Presumably in a futile effort to prop up the ailing British car industry.
 
Poi E said:
Why not have a road tax policy that is fair and actually targets those who put out the most CO2? Tax it on miles.
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What, raise fuel tax? Ok, political parties, hands up which one of you is going to raise petrol prices? Hmmm?
 
felixthecat said:
Ok, I'm being stupid here. I don't understand this at all, so can someone explain it please, in very simple terms. How do I find out the emissions of my car? Whys is pre 2001 cheaper - I thought older cars were going to be taxed more heavily?

Arrrgh - I'm confused of wiltshire this morning.:o
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according to dvla the info should be on your reg doc.

"Cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 (based on fuel type and CO2 emissions)
The rates shown only apply to cars that have been type approved in category M1 and registered on the basis of CO2 emissions measured in grams per kilometre (g/km) driven. These details are shown on the Registration Certificate."
 
Crispy said:
What, raise fuel tax? Ok, political parties, hands up which one of you is going to raise petrol prices? Hmmm?
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Fair point, but the public don't care anyway. Look at the rises recently. No-one has done anything to complain or protest.

No real answer to this, apart from hiring a car..which is still putting shit into the environment.
 
Crispy said:
What, raise fuel tax? Ok, political parties, hands up which one of you is going to raise petrol prices? Hmmm?
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Yes, and abolish VED road tax.
They won't do it though because
a) All political parties are too gutless to do it
b) They don't actually give a fuck about the environment
c) It doesn't make financial sense
d) It gives people too much self autonomy
 
Anyone got a link to the new charges? Does age of car matter? Judging by the BBC I'm gonna be paying quite a lot for my 4.0L soon... :)
 
zenie said:
No, not raise fuel tax they could tax per mile, although I think that'd proove unpopular too. :D
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That would unfairly tax drivers of efficient cars.
If you're going to tax for environmental reasons, then it has to be on the fuel, or the kgs of CO2 emitted.
 
felixthecat said:
Ok, I'm being stupid here. I don't understand this at all, so can someone explain it please, in very simple terms. How do I find out the emissions of my car? Whys is pre 2001 cheaper - I thought older cars were going to be taxed more heavily?
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Cars are taxed in bands according to a CO2 emissions rating. The rating was introduced for cars in 2001, so it doesn't apply to cars built before this date. And for cars built before 1973, so-called 'historic vehicles,' road tax is free.

As an aside, IMO they should reintroduce the 25-year rolling cut-off for free road tax, since it's not at all obvious why a vehicle built before 1973 should be deemed more 'historic' than one built in 1983 - which would be coming up for exemption now if the rolling limit were reintroduced - and anyway, there aren't that many 25-year-old cars in daily use.

Tax bands are here.
 
Kanda said:
Anyone got a link to the new charges? Does age of car matter? Judging by the BBC I'm gonna be paying quite a lot for my 4.0L soon... :)
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4L fuckin hell!! :D

How old is the car though?

Poi E said:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
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I've just looked here and because mine's before 2001 it's still 120 quid, am I reading it wrong?! :confused:

Roadkill said:
As an aside, IMO they should reintroduce the 25-year rolling cut-off for free road tax that they scrapped in 1998, since it's not at all obvious why a vehicle built before 1973 should be deemed more 'historic' than one built in 1983 - which would be coming up for exemption now if the rolling limit were reintroduced - and anyway, there aren't that many 25-year-old cars in daily use.
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agreed!!! :(
 
zenie said:
4L fuckin hell!! :D

How old is the car though?



I've just looked here and because mine's before 2001 it's still 120 quid, am I reading it wrong?! :confused:
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For vehicles built before 2001, it's £120 for a car whose engine is smaller than 1549cc and £185 for a bigger engine.
 
Kanda said:
It's 1996. Don't see why older cars should be that exempt tbh.
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So I think you're ok aren't you? :)

Roadkill said:
For vehicles built before 2001, it's £120 for a car whose engine is smaller than 1549cc and £185 for a bigger engine.
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yay! :D I would've paid the higher rate, but I'm glad I don't have to! :o

(Mine's a 1275cc)
 
Kanda said:
It's 1996. Don't see why older cars should be that exempt tbh.
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I wouldn't be so sure that your tax won't go up:

This means that owners of larger cars bought since March 2001 will find that their road tax will rise steeply from next April.

The increases are being introduced in two stages, with many owners who are now paying £210 a year being charged £300 in 2009 and up to £455 in 2010.

Information about the new rates is buried in an appendix to the Budget report and is not mentioned on the DVLA’s website page on vehicle tax. http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/2/5/bud08_chaptera.pdf
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Crispy said:
What, raise fuel tax? Ok, political parties, hands up which one of you is going to raise petrol prices? Hmmm?
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Personally (even more controversially) I'm all for having a satellite tracker.

My brother already has it for the insurance on his huge Toyota caravan tower ...

That way I can be credited for my careful driving too.
 
Kanda said:
I don't actually care if it does, in fact I think it should. Don't have time to read that pdf, can you give a summary as to when/why it may go up and by how much? Cheers ;)
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No I can't, I'm very busy actually. Waiting for a new pushchair to be delivered from John Lewis which is extremely demanding. :mad::o
 
Kanda said:
Mine stays at £185 then due to age. That's a bit stupid really.
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Isn't it just!
but lets look at it the way .gov looks at it.
The vast majority of cars on the road are less than 10yrs old thus the return on the car tax option is nice and high. The revenue would be minimal from older cars.
It's not environment, it's tax.

Reduce co2 emissions ?

Reduce street lighting,
decentralise power production,
grants for domestic power production,
tax aviation fuel,
re-nationalise railways,
increase building lifespans,
sell more wooly jumpers,
reduce imported food products.............................

Am I the only one who can see what is going on here? :mad:
 
jusali said:
Am I the only one who can see what is going on here? :mad:
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No, we can all see you having a unjustified persecution complex.

You have a big, polluting car. Even if you only use your vehicle occasionally, you'd be better advised to trade it in for something smaller and more efficient. This is a kick in the right direction.
 
how can i find out what band my car will be, and when does it change?:eek:

my car is barely worth £150 as is... if it goes up much i'm going to buy another rather than retax.

L Reg 5 door corsa automatic, btw...;)
 
What you are supporting doesn't actually aim to help the environment. It is revenue gathering pure and simple. You muppet.
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If you had some powers of basic comprehension of what I've actually written, you'd see that I haven't actually said anything in favour of this, only made comments on the complaints.

Personally, I think the road tax should be scrapped and replaced with a road use and petrol use system - a demand based scaled road charging system that weighs where you're driving&what time etc (so rural users would pay very little, urban and m-way users a lot), and petrol charging that works on an accumulating mileage system - the more miles you do per year, the more you pay for petrol, and use a measurement system similar to corporate petrol cards that you have to produce before putting petrol in the tank. So someone with a small car with low annual mileage would have cheap fuel all year, someone driving a Ferrari every day would be paying loads by the years end.

Basically something that combines:

Road use in mileage and demand for the roads you use
Volume of fuel consumed

Personally (even more controversially) I'm all for having a satellite tracker.

My brother already has it for the insurance on his huge Toyota caravan tower ...

That way I can be credited for my careful driving too.
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Not 100% averse to this idea...
 
spanglechick said:
how can i find out what band my car will be, and when does it change?:eek:

my car is barely worth £150 as is... if it goes up much i'm going to buy another rather than retax.

L Reg 5 door corsa automatic, btw...;)
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That car should be scrapped. :D ;)
 
tarannau said:
No, we can all see you having a unjustified persecution complex.

You have a big, polluting car. Even if you only use your vehicle occasionally, you'd be better advised to trade it in for something smaller and more efficient. This is a kick in the right direction.
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Environmentally that is bollocks see my post #5 which is afterall why the government is doing this.
 
spanglechick said:
how can i find out what band my car will be, and when does it change?:eek:

my car is barely worth £150 as is... if it goes up much i'm going to buy another rather than retax.

L Reg 5 door corsa automatic, btw...;)
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You'll be fine (for now) as your car's pre 2001. :)
 
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