Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by LiamO, Jul 10, 2015.
Why doesn't someone just arson these things before the official lighting.
Some interesting words from Danny Morrison:
Behind The Mask | Danny Morrison
They have people guarding them at all times, the big ones anyway. Sometimes people do manage to set fire to them but they get built back up again pretty quickly. It’s not just a bunch of kids building these things there are plenty of adults with cranes and diggers and shit. Plus it takes some balls to go into these areas with a patrol bomb, set it on fire and get out alive.
There’s reports tonight that the East Belfast UVF are orchestrating violence tonight, a bus has been hijacked at gun point and set alight and there’s been sectarian tensions in Derry this past week too with shots fired. After a few years of calm it seems it’s going back to what it used to be like.
Keep seeing this thread and thinking it's about the Trump protest
I see an Orange parade in County Donegal passed without problems, and had people from across ROI and NI. So, it seems that it is the British state that reinforces divisions.
As it has done each and every year, since forever.
And there are plenty of Orange picnics/fétes and fun days in Donegal, Cavan & Monaghan... where they are simply seen as a legitimate expression of heritage, rather than a GIRUY to the local Taigs
Honestly? I don't doubt your truth, but the Orange types in the west of Scotland do seem to be a bit keen about "GIRUY to the local Taigs". And very loud about it.
Anyway, for old bit of old telly fun:
"GIRUY"? Cad é sin?
THis of course is just normal, everyday behaviour and not worthy of close scrutiny and talk. Unlike the visit of trump which everyone will be marching against
I'd go have a word with the bonfire people, but same as last year and the years before that, my gammy leg is playing up
GIRUY? Get It Right Up Ye!
GIRFUY, is also used on special occasions.
I read that sans glasses, as GIRLY
Well, if you ever do feel moved to have a chat with those people, please make sure that whatever walking-stick or crutch you might be using is not made of wood. Or anything at all likely to make friends with flames.
Orange parades can pass without incident in some places, not Belfast though
"He said: “I’m really proud of my heritage so I painted a massive bowler hat on a wall.""
And that's about it for the culture, isn't it? Absent the parading lodges and anti-Catholicism is there anything tangible underneath?
Ceci n'est pas une escouade de la mort loyaliste
'Explosive' thrown at Gerry Adams' house
From what I've been told it's usually rival areas (who'll be upstanding members of the local community) who try and light each others prematurely. Not sectarian, just local rivalry.
I don't know what other experiences are but in my hometown (mixed, calm) the flags and bonfire shit has actually been increasing in the past decade. I never saw paramilitary flags growing up there, but now some fuckers are putting them up on the main drag. I've seen a few studies saying that flags and kerbstone painting have been increasing since 1998 but it's strange to see it spreading into areas where it previously would've been unsafe.
Bonfire rivalry wars. Amazing.
"ceasefire soldiers" people feel its ok to be involved in this shit as its low risk and the kids don't remember the troubles
As a child I remember thinking how weird it was seeing the kerb stones painted in the blue white and red. It made no sense to me coming from the Republic and travelling up north to see the cousins.
I'll never forget the border. The soldiers pointing their guns at the car because it had an Irish reg. And them demanding to see what was in the boot. A car with a family in it. 3 small kids in the back seat and they stood pointing their guns at us. My da got out and opened the boot. They told him to empty it out so he did. It was full of holiday clothes and a few gifts for the cousins which had to be unwrapped so the soldiers could see what was in the boxes. They stood watching as my da took the wrapping off and showed them what was in the boxes. Toys...games...a teapot.
That was in the mid 80s. It was like that til the agreement was signed and decommissioning took place.
Free movement across the border is something nobody in Eire wants to lose. Its not something people want to think or say out loud but it is inevitable that a border will bring a return to violence...the hardline unionists are literally flaunting their unity with the UK. The burning of the tri colour and Sinn Fein and SDLP posters on the bonfires in Derry and Belfast is sending a clear message. They are happy to rub nationalist faces in it. And that's no way to maintain peace. No wonder there is violence in Derry and Belfast. And the political parties that should be working on ensuring peace are sat twiddling their thumbs for the past year or so. Sinn Fein have lost support. They're seen as the establishment now. They're seen by some as deserting the ordinary people in places like the Bogside.
RSF will gain ground and RIRA and NIRA will establish themselves because of this if someone doesn't step up and take control.
Brexit will have a massive impact on peace in Ireland and possibly the UK if people don't cop themselves on and get their noses to the grindstone.
Westminster is only going to take notice when the Bodies start piling up.
May got into Bed with the DUP to save her own skin.
rest of the UK hate the dup now because they know something about them when Jezza gets in bonfires and orange sashes may well be outlawed
It was ceasefire soldiers who did the Robert McCartney murder.
Active gunmen tend to avoid getting into public brawls its not good operational security .
Bit of a stretch, no?
It's what I heard a few days after the event.
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