Canadian protesters catch out police agent provocateurs

[Blagsta]

How can you be so sure that the British police have never acted as agent provacteurs?

 

[detective-boy]

How can you be so sure that the British police have never acted as agent provacteurs?

I have never said that.

And if, as you seem to be, you are implying that I cannot comment on the activities of Special Branch with any confidence because I have never worked with them, how, exactly, do you feel qualified to challenge any of my comments about the police service, assuming, of course, that you have not had a police career more extensive than mine.

 

[Blagsta]

You certainly suggested very strongly that this never happened. I was wondering how you came to that conclusion.

BTW, the only statements of yours that I challenge are ones where I have personal experience of being on the sharp end of being "policed".

 

[detective-boy]

You certainly suggested very strongly that this never happened. I was wondering how you came to that conclusion.

Er, no. I didn't. What I posted (after having simply asked for examples of when the UK police had behaved as agent provocateurs, a request that was not met) was:

I'm well aware that undercover officers may be present in demonstrations - I have actually deployed officers in such roles.

I was referring to officers acting as agent provocateurs to get a demonstration to kick off. In all the policing of protests I was involved with I never encountered anything at all to suggest that that was the case (and in every case where it did kick off, the instigators turned out not to be cops).

That entirely refers to my experience and in no way suggests that I am saying it has never happened.

And, as I have "personal experience" of the sharp end of this sort of policing, I trust that you accept that my experience is valid.

Do you have any examples of when it has happened?

 

[Blagsta]

So no one has any evidence either way, so far.

That's that settled then.

 

[looneytune]

That's talking about a native blockade, not a police blockade.

Yes it is, and the reporter clearly states that the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) "pre-empted them" (meaning the protestors) and "shut down" a portion of the highway 401. That sounds like a blockade to me

Granted, this may be less to do with provocateuring and more with censorship - sparing the politically ignorant from the sight of an actual demonstration.

 

[smokedout]

Er, no. I didn't. What I posted (after having simply asked for examples of when the UK police had behaved as agent provocateurs, a request that was not met) was:



That entirely refers to my experience and in no way suggests that I am saying it has never happened.

And, as I have "personal experience" of the sharp end of this sort of policing, I trust that you accept that my experience is valid.

Do you have any examples of when it has happened?

the exodus demo outside the police station in luton where the only person arrested turned out to be undercover police, just in case you missed it

 

[detective-boy]

the exodus demo outside the police station in luton where the only person arrested turned out to be undercover police, just in case you missed it

I have already said that there may well be undercover officers amongst protestors (and even that I had deployed them myself). What is being discused is those officers acting as agent provocateur to kick of trouble. Was this one?

 

[smokedout]

well he was either arrested for no reason or he was trying to kick off trouble

in fairness it could be either

 

[TAE]

I have already said that there may well be undercover officers amongst protestors (and even that I had deployed them myself). What is being discused is those officers acting as agent provocateur to kick of trouble. Was this one?

You KNOW he is not just talking about 'undercover officers amongst protestors'.

Why did you leave "at the exodus demo outside the police station, only one arrest, for incitement" out of the quote in post #51 ?
Why do you keep ignoring: "the only person arrested turned out to be undercover police"?

 

[detective-boy]

well he was either arrested for no reason or he was trying to kick off trouble

in fairness it could be either

Indeed. And why could he not been arrested for taking part in disorder in some way withot having kicked it off himself?

 

[Blagsta]

He was the only person arrested apparently.

 

[detective-boy]

He was the only person arrested apparently.

Source?

 

[Blagsta]

Maybe if you read the thread?

 

[smokedout]

you'd have to dig up the old channel 4 documentary on exodus