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we are safe nothing can be done whelan is acock macabe is cock ND THIS CAN FINALLY BE DONE. IM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED POINT AS I SPENT FAR TO LONG DOING IT ON OTHER THREADS.

we are oh so super stamped officially a premiership team next year and sheffield united aren't. Hurrah.

Now lets sign some strikers and preferably drenthe as well. Now this bollocks is over i quite fancy getting back to the football personally.

Heres to a top half finish next year!


dave
 
let's face it, the only reason they didn't decuct points is because we were already fucked, and everyone thought it was hilarious that not only did signing tev and masher not work, but that a fine was rubbing salt into the wound... why deduct points from a club who are as good as relegated when you can take even more money off them...
 
tommers said:
did the double over you lot last season. :D
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first one new manager hype, 2nd one we rolled over cos everyone hates that idiot warnock...next season you will suffer the backlash;)
 
tommers said:
Dear World,

Today the arbitration panel found in favour of the Premier League and upheld their original decision not to deduct points from West Ham United over the Tevez and mascherano affair.

Is it really too much to ask that all those involved in slagging the club off, making blatant "misrepresentations" and false allegations in the press, on TV and even, yes even, here are now man (and woman) enough to say "sorry West Ham, we were wrong all the time. We bought into the tissue of lies put about by Messrs McCabe and Whelan but we have now realised our mistake. How can we make it up to you?"

I mean... is that really too much to ask?
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This is a joke, isn't it?

You have read the decision of the Tribunal, haven't you?

The full decision is here:

http://www.premierleague.com/public/downloads/publications/scan.pdf

As far as the merits of the decision not to deduct points are concerned, the Tribunal said:

36. We can see the force of [Sheffield Utd's] attack and we have much sympathy for SUFC's grievances arising from the decision and the manner it was arrived at. We would go so far as to say that this Tribunal would in all probability have reached a different conclusion and deducted points from WHU. We would, for example, have given much more weight to the deliberate deceit by WHU officials which concealed the existence of the third party arrangements.

37. However these considerations are not sufficient. The Tribunal has to test the decision on the basis whether it was irrational or perverse when it was reached. This is a very strict test and is very difficult to satisfy on a quesiton very much of judgment and discretion. The role of this Tribunal is supervisory - we are not hearing an appeal from the decision of the Disciplinary Commission - and we are not able to substitute our view for that of the Commission ....

38. .... as we have stated above if we had been considering this matter afresh we probably would have reached a different decision to that of the Commission. However the fact that we may disagree with the decision or that others may have genuine and passionate criticisms of it is insufficient to warrant intervention ....
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In short, far from deserving an apology, Hammers fans should be thanking their lucky stars that their club got away with it so lightly.

So kindly fuck off and heave your sigh of relief rather than coming on here demanding apologies.
 
Did the arbitration tribunal find West Ham not guilty of lying and being deceitful? They said what!? That West Ham are only in the Premiership because they lied and cheated?! And that altho the original tribunal applied the rules of the Premier League correctly the decision they came to was a complete joke?

Oh right, well in that case it looks like I owe West Ham fans an apology then...

Does it fuck
 
You lost, you were relegated because your team played fucking shit, get the fuck over it.

Now, I get to look forward to another season of not being able to beat West Ham... :mad: :D
 
We would go so far as to say that this Tribunal would in all probability have reached a different conclusion and deducted points from WHU. We would, for example, have given much more weight to the deliberate deceit by WHU officials which concealed the existence of the third party arrangements.
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Seems pretty unequivocal.

Lovely people though, salt of the earth they are. Honest.
 
London_Calling said:
Seems pretty unequivocal.

Lovely people though, salt of the earth they are. Honest.
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and kicked out of the club during the takeover.

but the rules were applied. you can't fucking cry over it LC, nor can sleaterkinney, nor supporters of any other club that have benefited from the PL or FA's bizarre way of doing things.

you may not like the result but it was done according to the rules that every PL team sign up to. sometimes it benefits teams, as it has done to the examples regularly cited on these arguments, to liverpool, tottenham, man u, west ham, and failed others, but each and every club would rather take the risk and abide by the system.
 
a deliberate deceit to which was pleaded guilty by the new regime in the original disciplinary hearing which was found to be unflawed in procedure.
 
i love how sheffield united are quoted as saying "they said they had huge sympathy for us beacuse we did nothing wrong"

well duh! of course they did nothing wrong they had fuck all to do with anything that went on. i really don't understand sheffeild united, are they dumb are just tring to get some sympathy?

oh and cyber rose stop being taken in by the lies danm you! from: http://www.premierleague.com/public/downloads/publications/scan.pdf its on page 6. point 9.

on 24th jan 2007, mr igoe the financial director of whu disclosed the tevez and machereno agreements to the fapl for the first time. NOT LIVERPOOL!!

duxbery and aldrige were definatly little lieing bastards though.

dave
 
CyberRose said:
Only after they'd been caught out!
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you say caught out, a more honest way of putting it is that when they discovered because they were transferring masher they owned up.

actually hammers, i'd recommend reading that link about the hearing. it's actually quite cheering stuff, and the selective quoting that's been going on here and in the media doesn't really reflect the actual nature of what's in it.
 
well dave, of course everyone has sympathy for sheffield. but when it comes down to it they should have played better. that's life. i can see why they're upset, i was expecting relegation for the whole season, whereas they looked safe and blew it. such is life.
 
reading th full thing now.

so far im wondering how the fuck duxberry still has a job, but thats about it.

I hadn't realised it was igoe who disclosed everything though they make that point a few times.

The whoe doing it for the fans thing sounds a lot less dodgy in legalise raether then in the sun.(page 19 point 6)


dave
 
bluestreak said:
you say caught out, a more honest way of putting it is that when they discovered because they were transferring masher they owned up.

actually hammers, i'd recommend reading that link about the hearing. it's actually quite cheering stuff, and the selective quoting that's been going on here and in the media doesn't really reflect the actual nature of what's in it.
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You've got to be kidding, it says, section 36

"We would go so far as to say that this tribunal would in all probability have reached a different conclusion and deducted points from West Ham"
 
yeah, duxbury should be out without a doubt.

sleater, that's what's called an opinion. if those people had been the tribunal then we'd have had points deducted and we west ham fans would be whinging about it on a thread somewhere. but the point is that points did not have to be deducted, and the original tribunal gave seven reasons why they did not, all of which were in line with the same regulations that are supposed to apply to all teams.
 
bluestreak said:
sleater, that's what's called an opinion. if those people had been the tribunal then we'd have had points deducted and we west ham fans would be whinging about it on a thread somewhere. but the point is that points did not have to be deducted, and the original tribunal gave seven reasons why they did not, all of which were in line with the same regulations that are supposed to apply to all teams.
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It's more then just someone's opinion, it's is part of their findings.

What's worse is the fact that the FA let him play on with the same agreements in place - contracts cannot be unilaterally terminated.

If I was a sheffield utd fan I'd be going ballistic, that report sticks to high heaven
 
sleaterkinney said:
It's more then just someone's opinion, it's is part of their findings.

What's worse is the fact that the FA let him play on with the same agreements in place - contracts cannot be unilaterally terminated.

If I was a sheffield utd fan I'd be going ballistic, that report sticks to high heaven
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Of course a contract can unilaterally terminated. Anyone can do it anytime. It is then upto the other party to sue for damages.

If you are working for an employer you give notice to leave, you are unilaterally terminating the contract!

Can't wait for the new season, just bring em all on. Feel like I know what its like to be a Millwall fan now, noone likes us anymore and we don't give a fuck!!
 
sleaterkinney said:
If I was a sheffield utd fan I'd be going ballistic, that report sticks to high heaven
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So, as a Liverpool fan, were you just hoping to have something to celebrate this season, then?

:D
 
1927 said:
Of course a contract can unilaterally terminated. Anyone can do it anytime. It is then upto the other party to sue for damages.

If you are working for an employer you give notice to leave, you are unilaterally terminating the contract!
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Yes, but the contract remains in place until the other party consents, which the report states in section 62.

The smoking gun is that West ham didn't inform the PL that the other party had reserved their rights when west ham served their letter, why not I wonder....
 
sleaterkinney said:
2 Champions league finals in three years, I can live with that. :D
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Damn you and your good humours!

I'm fully expecting a proper challenge this year, btw... :mad:
 
(directed at the man named after a shit indie band) nope! no you got that wrong way round. We informed the PL on the 27th of aprol that kias lawyers acknoleged the receipt of letter informing them we had terminated the agreement but they resreved the rights of thier clients they chose not to inform all the the other memeber clubs of the premiership in the letter dated 28th of april(i think that my dates are right) that msi rserved the rights(presumably to challenge the validity of us tearing up the contract at a later date if they so wished). BIG difference.

re read it.


dave
 
kained&able said:
(directed at the man named after a shit indie band) nope! no you got that wrong way round. We informed the PL on the 27th of aprol that kias lawyers acknoleged the receipt of letter informing them we had terminated the agreement but they resreved the rights of thier clients they chose not to inform all the the other memeber clubs of the premiership in the letter dated 28th of april(i think that my dates are right) that msi rserved the rights(presumably to challenge the validity of us tearing up the contract at a later date if they so wished). BIG difference.

re read it.


dave
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Fair enough, I misread that, but it doesn't change the fact that the contract was still in force.

And you've got shit taste in music dave.
 
sleaterkinney said:
It's more then just someone's opinion, it's is part of their findings.

What's worse is the fact that the FA let him play on with the same agreements in place - contracts cannot be unilaterally terminated.

If I was a sheffield utd fan I'd be going ballistic, that report sticks to high heaven
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their finding was that in their opinion a different punishment should have been applied but did not have to be.

their finding was that west ham responded in an appropriate way according to the rules and guidelines the FAPL set out.

the report can be summed up as "you might not like the book it was done by, but it was done by the book".
 
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