Campaign to stop Arsenal promoting Israeli Apartheid

[maximilian ping]

yes i am a bit wrong to poo poo this campaign

 

[cemertytwo]

yes i am a bit wrong to poo poo this campaign

Unless of course you support the murder of occupied people........

 

[Streathamite]

I don't often have much faith in consumer action campaigns, be it boycotts or what have you. but this one CAN get somewhere. you have a club in an area with strong leftwing and anti-racist traditions (and IIRC with a local MP - corbyn - who will willingly get invovled), and an important sponsor for Arsenal who IS highly embarrassed by this, whether they admit it or not.
and it's not as if arsenal are short of programme or perimeter advertisers.

 

[socialistsuzy]

the Israelis (most of 'em) are the beneficiaries of this; the palestinians (most of 'em) are the victims.
hence, any socialist - i.e. class - analysis HAS to come down fairly and squarely on the side of the Palestinians, for all that each side has its' OWN class divisions.

the iraelis are not mostly the beneficiaries of this, the israeli ruling class are, not the ordinary workers. you cannot take sides like that, you are alienating he israeli working class that have lived in the country all their lives. what about socialists in israel? would you dismiss those because you 'come down squarely on the side of the palestinians'?
even my best mates mum, who is palestinian and very anti-israel sat down and had a coffee and a chat with an israeli from the socialist party's sister organisation there.
have a look at our CWI section in israel's website, which has english, hebrew, arabic and russian translation (you might find the what we stand for section interesting);
http://www.maavak.org.il/maavak/index.php

 

[mutley]

the iraelis are not mostly the beneficiaries of this, the israeli ruling class are, not the ordinary workers. you cannot take sides like that, you are alienating he israeli working class that have lived in the country all their lives. what about socialists in israel? would you dismiss those because you 'come down squarely on the side of the palestinians'?
even my best mates mum, who is palestinian and very anti-israel sat down and had a coffee and a chat with an israeli from the socialist party's sister organisation there.
have a look at our CWI section in israel's website, which has english, hebrew, arabic and russian translation (you might find the what we stand for section interesting);
http://www.maavak.org.il/maavak/index.php

I'm afraid the israeli working class do benefit from the situation that their country is in. The aid from the US amounts to thousands of dollars for every Israeli citizen, which is why incidences of pro-palestinian activity by Israeli labour movement organisations are so rare/non-existent. The situation of those workers is more akin to white workers under apartheid - they have a material interest in continuing an unjust situation.

That's not to say that individuals won't break with the ruling class, but it will be individuals.
Certainly to equate the palestinian poor (mostly excluded from production) and israeli workers is a totally false equation, as is one between Israeli bosses and whatever weak and ineffectual proto-bourgeoisie exists in the occupied territories.
It's called national oppression, and a working class unity model won't fit.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/US_Aid_to_Israel.htm

 

[dennisr]

And you're about 60 years too late on the business/football thing. That started when clubs went professional, and became irreversible the day it was first televised.

'Reclaim the Gane - the death of the peoples game' written by my mate John Reid (for his sins a QPR supporter) is in its 7th edition now (not quite 60 years - but been selling outside of matches since 1990). Would you like a copy?

 

[Streathamite]

'Reclaim the Gane - the death of the peoples game' written by my mate John Reid (for his sins a QPR supporter) is in its 7th edition now (not quite 60 years - but been selling outside of matches since 1990). Would you like a copy?

YOU BET!!!!
I'll Pm you my address later. good man!

 

[Relahni]

Can anyone remember the Arsenal mural with no black faces in the early 1990s?

 

[Streathamite]

the iraelis are not mostly the beneficiaries of this, the israeli ruling class are, not the ordinary workers. you cannot take sides like that, you are alienating he israeli working class that have lived in the country all their lives. what about socialists in israel? would you dismiss those because you 'come down squarely on the side of the palestinians'?
even my best mates mum, who is palestinian and very anti-israel sat down and had a coffee and a chat with an israeli from the socialist party's sister organisation there.
have a look at our CWI section in israel's website, which has english, hebrew, arabic and russian translation (you might find the what we stand for section interesting);
http://www.maavak.org.il/maavak/index.php

again, for the hard of reading

;for all that each side has its' OWN class divisions.

and the core of this is that the zionist state is a CLASSIC example of colonial capitalism. it is also bigger than all other issues faced by israelis and Palestinians put together.
as for the rest; see mutley's comments. one this issue, class and state issues cross each other's tracks

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Can anyone remember this thread - or, indeed, the link in its first posting which answers Jezza's question for him?

Incidentally, if Fred continues in his trolling I imagine he is likely to find himself called to account for it.

 

[X-77]

Can anyone remember this thread - or, indeed, the link in its first posting which answers Jezza's question for him?

Incidentally, if Fred continues in his trolling I imagine he is likely to find himself called to account for it.

perhaps the mods would be so kind as to amalgamate the two threads (but keep them in both forums if ok).

Agree about fred, he has been completely out of order on this thread.

 

[articul8]

i'm sick of this anti-israel, pro-arab talk. what about the israeli working class?? .

couldn't you have used this argument to argue against sanctions on apartheid South Africans (on the grounds that white workers would suffer)?

 

[Streathamite]

E2A; @ Donna ferentes
errmm...it says arsenal officials had claimed the deal had been cleared. behind closed doors. without general public pressure.
The UAE has STILL not recognised Israel - at most it will allow them a quasi-consular centre, it voted for every UN resolution israel has arrogantly ignored; it is a signatory to very GCC and arab league statement and declaration condemning all the scumbag things Israel has done.
Finally, and crucially; It has 3 revenue streams; oil, tourism and Offshore Finance. it is, in fact, the offshore finance and business centre of choice for the Arab world, and is as dependent on the arab world for trade and prosperity as Lebanon.
A noisy, visible, publicity-generating campaign - PROVIDED it planted this problem firmly in the public domain - would land Sheikh zaid and co in VERY bad odour with, ermm, just about every company they look to for non-oil revenue!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

i reckon people who complain about this Arse-Israel thing have got too much time on their hands. complain about something useful, please

 

[Taxamo Welf]

i'm sick of this anti-israel, pro-arab talk. what about the israeli working class?? we have a socialist party section in israel, what about them?? it isn't the israeli working class thats opressing palestinians, in fact its loads of israeli working class people getting thrown in jail for refusing to serve in the occupied territories. why do people always go so anti-israel rather than anti the israeli state?

sorry just venting my frustration.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

AS IF a campaign like this will persuade a footie club to back out of a sponsorship deal with a country's tourist board because of a battle over territory which goes back thousands of years.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Sounds like anti jewish racism again.
Ignore the bombs and missiles and have a go at the jews. Any excuse is OK.

This dangerous anti palestinian jew was doing some anti islamic shopping and opressing some arabs. Bitch deserved to be bombed.

word

 

[Taxamo Welf]

agree with you there X-77. especially as i am a socialist, jewish (technically) (and an arsenal fan )

ahaa haaa haaaa!!! Fucking brilliant!

anyway:

this has a very good chance of succeeding given the arabic club in london is arsenal; i would think on these grounds alone the top nobs at AFC would have to pull out of this.