Campaign to Remove the Star of David from the Israelis Flag

[Gmart]

It's an obvious Jewish symbol, and is thus unsuitable for the flag of a nation which claims to be secular, and where 2 million Arabs live, amongst other religions.

Israel and Palestine will never be able to move towards one state harmony until this barrier to compromise is removed.

I am calling on all Israelis to see that this is a significant step which could show the world and the Palestinians your determination to create a peaceful world for everyone's children.

 

[JoePolitix]

I am calling on all Israelis...

Who do you think you are - Napoleon?

 

[muckypup]

It's an obvious Jewish symbol, and is thus unsuitable for the flag of a nation which claims to be secular, and where 2 million Arabs live, amongst other religions.

Israel and Palestine will never be able to move towards one state harmony until this barrier to compromise is removed.

I am calling on all Israelis to see that this is a significant step which could show the world and the Palestinians your determination to create a peaceful world for everyone's children.

hear hear

although i doubt anyone will listen to you. nowadays its only morons that get heard

 

[Dhimmi]

What about the two blue stripes?

 

[invisibleplanet]

Don't they symbolise the boundaries by water - one the sea, the other for the river Jordan?

 

[muckypup]

What about the two blue stripes?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I am calling on all Israelis to see that this is a significant step which could show the world and the Palestinians your determination to create a peaceful world for everyone's children.

Are you an Israeli, or just a meddlesome busybody?

 

[muckypup]

Are you an Israeli, or just a meddlesome busybody?

Are you an Israeli, or just a meddlesome busybody?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

The star of David is of course Jewish. He was one of their famous kings. But that doesn't mean that it is necessarily religious even though you will most likely have heard about him in a religious book which is really just the history of the Jewish people written in a religious way.

The star of David is however a Zionist symbol and the Zionists claim that they are secular not religious Jews. I once saw a star of David flag being burned. It was done by Orthodox Jews in a park in Luton at a rally supported primarily by pro-Palestinian Muslims. It was a strange experience watching these Jews in their traditional garb approaching the rally and then producing and burning the Star of David flag. I suppose it is the secular aspect of Zionism that annoys them, along with a different religious interpretation of the 'Promised Land.'

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Are you an Israeli, or just a meddlesome busybody?

I'm not trying to take any stars off anybody's flag.

 

[Wolveryeti]

The Israelis can have anything they want on their flag as long as they stop turning a blind eye to the killing of stone throwing kids and murdering pf peace campaigners.

 

[Gmart]

It might not actually be an official symbol of Judaism, (tho one wonders how this official status might be achieved), however that, IMO, really doesn't matter.

When you are getting the Judaism for dummies book with a Star of David on the front (see here), then you know that it is what it is.

This of course makes it all the less surprising that so many Arabs find it so hard to accept it as their flag (along with all the other reasons, I know!)

 

[Gmart]

Started a cause for this on facebook if anyone is interested.

Same title as this thread.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Rachamin, whose attitude caused me to think of this.

 

[muckypup]

I'm not trying to take any stars off anybody's flag.

you're constantly defending Israeli terrorists and their brutal militant regime.

 

[Pol]

good idea, get rid of that fucking star

 

[frogwoman]

yeah, why not get rid of the crescent from pakistan's flag? or the cross from englands flag, both of those are guilty of human rights abuses too.

i have a even better idea, get rid of the buddhist prayer wheel from india's flag ... it's not even a buddhist country !!

ffs!!!

like dapperdondamanja said, this is jsut a stupid idea ... if you want to criticise israel, criticise them for something that they've actually done rather than what their flag looks like, ffs!!

 

[frogwoman]

unless this thread was a joke, and i think it probably is, but anything goes in the middle east forum innit ...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you're constantly defending Israeli terrorists and their brutal militant regime.

Not on this thread I'm not.

And I don't agree that the govt of Israel are terrorists.

 

[muckypup]

And I don't agree that the govt of Israel are terrorists.

thats okay most terrorist regimes don't like to admit that either

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I have no problem with the Israeli flag--its the oppression of the Palestinians & the lack of a two-state solution I object to.

 

[Gmart]

yeah, why not get rid of the crescent from pakistan's flag? or the cross from englands flag, both of those are guilty of human rights abuses too.

i have a even better idea, get rid of the buddhist prayer wheel from india's flag ... it's not even a buddhist country !!

I am against any religious symbols on any flag, coz there is bound to be someone from another religion who lives in that country.

I believe in the separation of church and state as well.

Religion is a personal issue and should remain that way.

Meanwhile one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!

Peace!

 

[Gmart]

How do you expect the Arabs who live as Israelis citizens, to accept a flag with that on it?

 

[frogwoman]

how do u expect hindus livin in pakistan to accept a flag with the islamic symbol on it?

as far as i can see, a fucking flag is the least of anyone's worries ...

if human rights (which is the main issue) are guaranteed, then it shouldn't matter should it??

x

 

[moono]

The Israeli flag got redesigned some time ago- by an Israeli.

 

[moono]

Frogwoman;

i have a even better idea, get rid of the buddhist prayer wheel from india's flag ... it's not even a buddhist country !!

ffs!!!

You must be mistakenly referring to Gandhiji's spinning wheel. Unless you are trying to take the piss out of Indians.

as far as i can see, a fucking flag is the least of anyone's worries ...

I think that the Hindus wanted a fucking flag but they had to accept a spinning wheel instead.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I am against any religious symbols on any flag, coz there is bound to be someone from another religion who lives in that country.

I believe in the separation of church and state as well.

Religion is a personal issue and should remain that way.

Meanwhile one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!

Peace!

So, you're proposing a flag change.....but for another country instead of the country you live in?

Should we expect you to make a facebook group for disestablishment of church and state in the UK too, and propose a flag change to remove the Cross of St. George,and other national saints from the Union Jack?

I can dig out some old fotos of various European Jewish swimming teams and football teams at the turn of the twentieth century if you like - in no way could they be considered Zionist, yet all had the Star of David emblazoned on their team sportswear, so although it's a Jewish Symbol, it is never been an exclusive political/nationalist Zionist symbol.

Were Israel were to move completely away from nationalist/political Zionism and the idea of an exclusive Jewish state whilst maintaining it's status culturally as the Jewish homeland, the thought of removing the Star of David doesn't work for me symbolically. Surely it's better to add other symbols than to take one away.

 

[invisibleplanet]

unless this thread was a joke, and i think it probably is, but anything goes in the middle east forum innit ...

This thread is definitely a joke.

May I suggest a black-eyed white-dove in the middle, holding an green olive branch in it's beak, with red blood pouring from it's breast flowing into the lower blue-stripe - being attacked by a red-white-and-blue bald-headed eagle wearing a military dog-tag around it's neck with dollar signs in it's eyes.

Seriously though, if Israeli non-Jews had the same rights as Israeli Jews, they wouldn't even be questioning the flag-symbolism. As frogwoman already pointed out - it's human rights issues, along with equal rights issues that are the important focus - not the flag.

 

[Spion]

I can't thelp thinking that any Israeli that recognises the ethnic cleansing their country is built on and the continuing injustices it perpetuates would very happily ditch that flag and its ethnically exclusive connotations as part of building a new society. That's not to say, however, that I think campaigning about flags should be any kind of priority. Especially as putting such symbolism at the forefront of campaigns just tends to wind up those you need to convince and that you never get to the really important issues.

 

[frogwoman]

lol ok cool sorry i was in a pissed off mood and half asleep ... my points still stand though ... and no moono i wasn't "taking the piss out of indians"- my poitn is, lots of countries with less than perfect human rights records have religious imagery on their flag ... lol

 

[Spion]

and propose a flag change to remove the Cross of St. George,and other national saints from the Union Jack?

It was once common knowledge among the left in britain that the union flag has also been known as 'the butcher's apron', which I think indicates an awareness of what the empire's flag has meant to many around the world