Camden Tube station platforms covered in graffiti

[untethered]

The "artistic tastes" of others are imposed on you everywhere you look - billboards etc. The difference here is that it's motivated by a desire to rebel, and a desire to create art, rather than in the hope of convincing you to part with your cash. It that really so much worse?

I'd say it's more about the desire to rebel than the desire to create art, for most vandals, most of the time. There are plenty of opportunities to create art that don't involve defacing someone else's property.

Is graffiti morally worse than advertising? I'd say it is, because (illegal) graffiti always involves a deliberate moral offence against someone else's property. Some advertising may be immoral, but it would depend on the advert.

Personally, I'm in favour of banning all public (street) advertising. I think it detracts substantially from civic life. But I'm not in favour of banning all advertising. If I choose to read newspapers and magazines that carry advertising, I accept it as the quid pro quo for doing so. There is no quid pro quo when I'm walking down the street that public taxes pay for. Quite the opposite.

And it doesn't have to be cleaned off - so no public expense.

So if someone vandalises your house, the fact that you don't have to clean it up means that the perpetrator shouldn't be compelled to compensate you?

 

[Louloubelle]

A missed opportunity IMO

They could have created something so beautiful that it made people question thier dislike of grafitti but it just looks really rubbish IMO

I'd rather see art than advertising on the tube but that's not art.

The really worrying thing is that if a bunch of kids can get into the tube and spray a load of grafitti there then a bunch of terrorists could have got down there and left bombs in the tunnels

 

[detective-boy]

The really worrying thing is that if a bunch of kids can get into the tube and spray a load of grafitti there then a bunch of terrorists could have got down there and left bombs in the tunnels

There is no way you can prevent determined terrorists planting bombs virtually anywhere in public places / public utilities. It is impossible to make all aspects of every place / system secure to that extent.

 

[editor]

I grabbed some photos on my phone last night:

 

[editor]

If they catch some of the scum who did this they should hold their fucking eyes open and spray paint into them til they go blind, see how they liked that for a work of art.

Just a teensy weensy smidgen over the top that, don't you think?

 

[kakuma]

i think it looks class myself, i bet in a few years london transport pay someone to graff up a tube station.....

 

[dash]

Certainly fits into the whole Camden get-your-knob-pierced, pound-a-pizza-slice thing.

 

[BlackSpecs]

I hate graffiti 'artists'. Their 'art' can kindly fuck off from the side of my elderly neighbour's garage. I will however enthusiastically endorse the graffiti 'artists' who vandalise advertisments. I agree, no distinction can be made.

Enjoy the crazy french

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2oq5_stopub

 

[zoltan]

UNimaginative , uninspired , derivative shit Im afraid. This is camden , not the Bronx circa 1980 Im afraid

the scale of the execution is about the only redeeming factor - be it intense stuipidity and good luck or months of meticulous planning and dummy runs.

its a step above the cunts who scratch their derivative scrawls onto bus windows, but only just.

sorry boys, must try harder and do something thats at least original.

 

[maximilian ping]

i thought the graffiti looked quite good for these days, i think the days of arty graffiti are pretty much over aren't they? the main reason i liked it is because it will irritate the fuckwits who run LU. hopefully the next time the graffiti will be in/on their houses, the c&nts

 

[Giles]

Just a teensy weensy smidgen over the top that, don't you think?

Actually, no I don't think it's over the top at all.

Even if they *do* catch any of those who did this, they won't be made to pay for the clean-up, so effectively, everyone else who goes on the tube will have to pay.

They make me sick.

The thing that irritates me most is that they (and quite a few other people) think that this is somehow a cool thing to do.

To me, they are on a par with the kind of people who break into a school at night, and then set it on fire. They revel in wanton, expensive wrecking of shared public property, for the sake of a "laugh". I have no time for them.

Giles..

 

[editor]

Actually, no I don't think it's over the top at all.

So you believe that torturing the culprit until he is permanently blinded is an appropriate punishment for relatively minor property damage, yes?

What about dropping litter? That must be worth a fair bit of torture and a few fingers cut off in your world, no?

 

[RaverDrew]

I think it's great.

May not be the best pieces in the world, but I imagine they just wanted to get something up as quick as, then just get the fuck out of there.

 

[Athos]

Is graffiti morally worse than advertising? I'd say it is, because (illegal) graffiti always involves a deliberate moral offence against someone else's property.

That presupposes the moral precedence of property ownership.

 

[Giles]

So you believe that torturing the culprit until he is permanently blinded is an appropriate punishment for relatively minor property damage, yes?

What about dropping litter? That must be worth a fair bit of torture and a few fingers cut off in your world, no?

OK, Ok, I was being over the top!

It still fucks me off though. Especially the way that when they do catch people for this type of thing, they rarely make them pay the total cost of fixing the damage.

Giles..

 

[editor]

(Two similar threads merged)

 

[T & P]

If they had limited themselves to the actual 'nice' graffiti on the walls (I really like the one that surrounds the Camden Town sign, the sign itself being untouched) then I'd say that's cool. But of course some fucking twat had to go and start tagging the walls, seats and floor.

Graffiti = has merit, and can be okay depending on where it's done

Tags = worthless, talentless shit- the authors of which should have a paint can rammed up their arse so high it comes up up their mouth.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

There is no way you can prevent determined terrorists planting bombs virtually anywhere in public places / public utilities. It is impossible to make all aspects of every place / system secure to that extent.

Well quite and it's not as if violent Jihadi's are taking training lessons from graffiti artists...

 

[Athos]

Graffiti = has merit, and can be okay depending on where it's done

Tags = worthless, talentless shit- the authors of which should have a paint can rammed up their arse so high it comes up up their mouth.

Since when did you become the arbiter of what is art and what's not?!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Graffiti = has merit, and can be okay depending on where it's done

Tags = worthless, talentless shit- the authors of which should have a paint can rammed up their arse so high it comes up up their mouth.

Pretty much.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Since when did you become the arbiter of what is art and what's not?!

Since when did they say they were? Aren't people allowed to form their own opinions on what is and isn't permissible?

 

[jugularvein]

To me, they are on a par with the kind of people who break into a school at night, and then set it on fire. They revel in wanton, expensive wrecking of shared public property, for the sake of a "laugh". I have no time for them.

Giles..

i have no time for this nonsense either.

 

[WWWeed]

Yeah but its all part of the same thing. Shit tags are crap but everyones gotta start somewhere (not that I am condoning it of course)

But it certainly makes a change not seeing those crappy white walls every time you get off the train!

And maybe Tfl will stop telling us stupid things like "we are cracking down on graffiti this xmas" when they know they cant and they should have been "cracking down on Graffiti" for the rest of last year anyway......

 

[Giles]

If they had limited themselves to the actual 'nice' graffiti on the walls (I really like the one that surrounds the Camden Town sign, the sign itself being untouched) then I'd say that's cool. But of course some fucking twat had to go and start tagging the walls, seats and floor.

Graffiti = has merit, and can be okay depending on where it's done

Tags = worthless, talentless shit- the authors of which should have a paint can rammed up their arse so high it comes up up their mouth.

I'm not the only one who believes in harsh penalties! Maybe we should give miscreants a choice of punishment????

a. being sprayed in the eyes until they go blind

b. having a paint can rammed up their arse so high it comes out of their mouth.




Giles..

 

[ashtray]

Fantastic!

 

[maomao]

Brilliant work. And the photos above show quite clearly that they've left the Station nameboards completely visible. I don;t see why this 'has' to be cleaned off at all. Far more attractive than the greasy white tiles under the paint.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Brilliant work. And the photos above show quite clearly that they've left the Station nameboards completely visible. I don;t see why this 'has' to be cleaned off at all. Far more attractive than the greasy white tiles under the paint.

Hmmm I'm not 100% about that, went through there on Boxing day and the station signs where covered too. Think they have been cleaned...

 

[detective-boy]

(I really like the one that surrounds the Camden Town sign, the sign itself being untouched)

I think you'll find the sign has been cleaned / replaced - check out the squatjuice pics on page 1 and it is clear they were originally sprayed over.

I quite like the look of proper large scale graffitti ... but sadly there is no way TfL could allow it to be done properly (a station would look very much brighter if done up properly with some planned large scale stuff like this) without getting a rash of tag shit all over it in about ten minutes flat ...

I contemplated getting some proper graffitti artist to do my garage door when it needed repainting ... but the same problem put me off the idae and so it's still dull, boring black ...

 

[Andy the Don]

Brilliant work. And the photos above show quite clearly that they've left the Station nameboards completely visible. I don;t see why this 'has' to be cleaned off at all. Far more attractive than the greasy white tiles under the paint.

No think I prefer the original tiles, not some untalented chimps idea of art. Who obviously has such a high opinion of himself that everyone has to see his crap doodles. Think I will find out where he lives & graffiti the LU circle & bar logo over his bedroom wall..

But you have to admire their cheek..

 

[Athos]

Since when did they say they were? Aren't people allowed to form their own opinions on what is and isn't permissible?

Err... T&P did when he/she asserted that graffiti has 'merit', whereas tags are just 'shit.' Of course, they're enitled to that opinion, but they can't expect anyone to be convinced by it - after all, there were people that said Turner's works had no merit when they were first produced, and people continue to do so about lots of art.