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Maggot said:
No idea, but I'd be surprised if they weren't better than Camberwell's..
Camberwell - what is it like to live there?
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No idea, but I'd be surprised if they weren't better than Camberwell's..
gaijingirl
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Maggot said:
Great if you're loaded
and have no conscientous objections... JAGS, Alleyns, Dulwich College etc etc...(ETA AFAIK there are some good state schools in that area too - especially primary. The Charter (secondary) School (an U75er teaches there) is described as "very good" by Ofsted, Kingsdale School as "rapidly improving".)
milesy said:
the school is good, but the language thing is difficult for me to get my head around. I went to a primary school where we had only one African boy who was practically famous. Maybe my daughter will be the one European girl and get the red carpet treatment the African lad got in our school.
Monkeynuts
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gaijingirl said:
Indeed... but that is a bit like an award for "Most Improved", which as we all know tends to means you were shit.
Dulwich Academy of Mugging was an absolutely dreadful place. The staff have done a really good job of trying to turn the place around, and it is now almost averagely good I understand.
Still wouldn't dream of sending my kids there.
Monkeynuts
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ChrisFilter said:
Nothing like a good assumption based on nothing firmer than blind prejudice is there... Southwark's best state school is in Camberwell
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I never claimed to be stating fact, did I? I just stated what I'd assumed, so fuck off with your superior eye-rolling
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Relahni said:Tulse Hill schools are pony as well by all accounts. Sydenham is a different matter though.
leafy streets soundsthough. Although we live on a leafy street?
Odd, the nearest Primary to me looks really nice!
Monkeynuts
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ChrisFilter said:I never claimed to be stating fact, did I? I just stated what I'd assumed, so fuck off with your superior eye-rolling
Well, just have the good grace to look surprised then eh!
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Rollem said:
Surely it could be some indication? Happy, smiling kids, positive atmosphere about the place. Of course that means very little when it comes to the Ofsted reports, but it's not completely unrelated.
gaijingirl
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Monkeynuts said:
The rest of the report also reads quite good too! Apparently there's a new head who's turning things around.
gaijingirl
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Monkeynuts said:Nothing like a good assumption based on nothing firmer than blind prejudice is there... Southwark's best state school is in Camberwell
Do you mean Sacred Heart? I'm not sure if it's Southwark's best state school exactly. I think it is certainly best in terms of "value added" (which to my mind is the most important factor) - not sure about the other indicators though? I have a friend who teaches there and by all accounts it's a tough gig!
Monkeynuts
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gaijingirl said:
I'm sure it is! It does seem to get the best GCSE results though:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/...ables/secondary_schools/html/210_gcse_lea.stm
Not sure it will be all sweetness and light in any inner London school to be honest - there will always be children from difficult backgrounds. It looks like it could be even worse in other places though...
As for "value added my arse", then I can appreciate it if there is some cynicism about the New Labour / consultanty-type language, but I think the underlying idea is sound - surely the best school is one which brings out the best in its children whatever their background and abilities and enables them to achieve their full potential rather than one which is fortunate to have a catchment area full of pushy middle class parents and privileged, well- supported children?
gaijingirl
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Monkeynuts said:
Those are my thoughts exactly - having taught in two inner city schools last year that were WAY below the results SH are getting, not a million miles from SH - and SH isn't exactly in an area whose demographics give the greatest chance of a high A-C percentage itself, the value added is a good indicator I think of how well a school is doing. It's unfair to compare schools on the % of 5 A-Cs when one school may be dealing with a huge percentage of EAL students from refugee and asylum backgrounds (as my schools are) whilst another (such as Coombe which I visited near Morden) has a largely well to do middle class intake. I've seen kids arrive with no English and work their socks off. Doesn't mean they're going to get 5 A-Cs - but in terms of achievement they are at least equal to and in many cases beyond some students to whom it comes a lot more easily.
Monkeynuts
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hipipol said:
How instructive.
And where do you recommend instead? And what for those who have to take the housing they are allotted?
The divide in Camberwell is ridiculous, Camberwell Grove & the like are home to rich families and the odd famous person, the Loughborough/Elephant side of Camberwell is basically a Council Estate....a nightmare one. Camberwell Central aint too great either IMHO...again a bit of a nightmare Council Estate vibe to it.
If your rich I'd assume it's a great place to live but if your not...then there's plenty more choices elsewhere.
If your rich I'd assume it's a great place to live but if your not...then there's plenty more choices elsewhere.
Maggot
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But the rich/poor mix is a good thing. Areas with a diverse range of people are much more interesting.Cowley said:
The Loughborough side of Camberwell has areas like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/camberwell/18883711/in/set-52910/
and this:
Not exactly nightmare council estate.
Cowley said:
Poorer people are the ones who have less choice in where they live. Surely they would rather live in a mixed area than some kind of ghetto.
BadlyDrawnGirl
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Camberwell is face. There's Serious Business every month at the Funky Munky for a start.
And random people talk to you at bus stops. Or is it just me? Every time I go there now I end up having conversations with *really* dodgy-looking people, while the more "respectable-looking" people seem to keep well away (lol).
over the last few weeks I've had conversations with homeless-looking white junkies with devil dogs, huge black gangsta types with more gold than H.Samuel, and a gang of teenage MCs from Peckham (yes really). it must be the silver chain.
and even like last night, when someone was being randomly attacked right behind me near the bus stop, no-one seems to give me any hassle. weird. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe I just look like I have no fear.
over the last few weeks I've had conversations with homeless-looking white junkies with devil dogs, huge black gangsta types with more gold than H.Samuel, and a gang of teenage MCs from Peckham (yes really). it must be the silver chain.
and even like last night, when someone was being randomly attacked right behind me near the bus stop, no-one seems to give me any hassle. weird. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe I just look like I have no fear.
Maggot,
Problem is the rich/poor mix isn't balanced in Camberwell IMHO. I mean around the Camberwell Grove area where there is streets of fine Million Pound Georgian Terraces/Detached/Semi's, you do not see a poor person in sight, it's not as if you have the kids from those rich families mingling with the estate kids.
In fact if anything, and speaking from knowledge about friends who live/have been brought up in the area...I hear there is a lot of resentment from the poor and working class towards the rich.
I hear what your saying about the Loughborough side of Camberwell, I actually use to live over that side..for a brief while...but for all the beautiful looking streets round there and I include Lilford & Flaxman in that category you have some seriously dodgy Estates...some of the worst in South London.
Maybe I worded it wrong...but what I actually meant was the Loughborough/Elephant side of Camberwell is predominantly poor/under class.
Finally, when I was talking about choices...I meant choices for people who I wouldn't bracket either poor or rich...for example you can pay what 250K for a 2 bed flat in say Lilford Road or Flaxman Road...but could probably also pay the same for flats in many streets in Brixton, Herne Hill or Streatham...places that I would say are a lot more desirable than those mentioned parts of Camberwell.
robotsimon
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Cowley said:
This isn't true in my experience. Sure, Camberwell grove has got a load of huge, expensive houses on it. But it's also got the Lettsom Estate half way up on one side and a few council blocks on the other side - it's not as if it's a gated community where poor folk aren't allowed.
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Denmark Hill's where it's at - up high where the air is sweet..
corporate whore said:Denmark Hill's where it's at - up high where the air is sweet..
You're joking of course
I wouldn't reccomend anyone to park their cars antwhere near the Denmark Hill Estate or go through the estate to the Dulwich Sainsburys.
Though I do prefer the area to central Camberwell or Herne Hill. There's the park for one and the habituees of the local hostel are fairly friendly. The worse you can expect from them is some verbal abuse
The rich outweight the poor on Camberwell Grove though. We're not talking about pretty little terraces here...we're talking about HUGE GRAND Georgian Houses that fetch up to a Million and above, Rich people live in them!!!
Yes I agree there is a few council blocks...and yes you have some of the folks from the council blocks wandering up Camberwell Grove...but the general jist of what i'm saying is the balance...and it's completely lopsided!
That whole stretch of Camberwell around Camberwell Grove is predominantly White/Middle/Upper class with the odd council block here and there.
P.S. Yer typical Camberwell Grove type house http://www.woosterstock.co.uk/Detail.php?propID=2658
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