Calzaghe quits boxing Undefeated

[gunneradt]

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you. Lacy was past it by the time he fought Calzaghe. I also don't think Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

The vast majority of Calzaghe's punches were also with the inside of the glove - which is why he was known to slap.

The difference between Benn, Eubank, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler and many more is that they went in with the best. The same can't be said of Calzaghe. Unless you believe everyone avoided him for the duration of his career, which is stretching things a little.

 

[tarannau]

Right, so unlike the rest of the world, you knew that Lacy was burnt out at the advanced old age of 28, despite a recent record that saw him continue to convincingly knock people down. Marvellous stuff

The words big tryhard bullshitter spring to mind.

 

[gunneradt]

Why is it that those that support Calzaghe get so upset when he's criticised? He will never be a great I'm afraid and very few of his fights are worth watching again.

 

[tarannau]

Hold on, I'm hardly a founder member of the Calzaghe supporters club. You on the hand, show a laughable lack of knowledge and logic on the topic in hand

I suspect that his great record will last the test of time, regardless of what some myopic 'contravershal' internet bod called Gunneradt thinks.

 

[butchersapron]

ILacy was past it by the time he fought Calzaghe.

Drivel. Absolute drivel.

 

[gunneradt]

Hold on, I'm hardly a founder member of the Calzaghe supporters club. You on the hand, show a laughable lack of knowledge and logic on the topic in hand

I suspect that his great record will last the test of time, regardless of what some myopic 'contravershal' internet bod called Gunneradt thinks.

If you say so. He fought a string of 2nd rate fighters through most of his career and 2 guys past it at the end - one of which I suspect he actually lost.

 

[Numbers]

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you. Lacy was past it by the time he fought Calzaghe. I also don't think Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

lolz, what a crock of shite.

Did you read where I said Calzaghe had more championship fights than Lacy had fights when they fought.

 

[1927]

I also don't think Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

Read it in The Echo mate.

My question was, do you consider Marciano one of the greats?

 

[Karac]

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you. Lacy was past it by the time he fought Calzaghe. I also don't think Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

2 monstrous trolls in a sentence-Lacy was at the top of his game when he fought Calzaghe,an on odds favourite to beat him.
Hopkins never really even attempted to fight Calzaghe-just stood on the backfoot and tried the odd counter-Calzaghe boxed his ears off

 

[friedaweed]

Hadn't heard about this but i think it a good move for Joe.
He is a legend and he should keep it that by not coming out of retirement when he can't cope with the tax bills. That in mind I'll expect to see him as a Question of Sport captain some time soon.

Good fighter

 

[gunneradt]

Read it in The Echo mate.

My question was, do you consider Marciano one of the greats?

that was answered many posts ago

 

[gunneradt]

2 monstrous trolls in a sentence-Lacy was at the top of his game when he fought Calzaghe,an on odds favourite to beat him.
Hopkins never really even attempted to fight Calzaghe-just stood on the backfoot and tried the odd counter-Calzaghe boxed his ears off

I'm afraid he didn't. He was dead lucky to get the decision. He did that to Roy Jones for sure but he wasn't interested in fighting at all.

 

[1927]

that was answered many posts ago

Well you haven't actually answered it have you!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

what a magnficent boxer, what a brave decision, what a man

 

[gunneradt]

Well you haven't actually answered it have you!

in answer to your question, I think Ali, Frazier, Holmes were certainly superior to Marciano at heavyweight. I alsio believe that Tyson is one of the greats despite his flaws.

Look Calzaghe was a good boxer. Would he have beaten Hopkins or Jones in the 90s? Not a chance.

 

[1927]

in answer to your question, I think Ali, Frazier, Holmes were certainly superior to Marciano at heavyweight. I alsio believe that Tyson is one of the greats despite his flaws.

Look Calzaghe was a good boxer. Would he have beaten Hopkins or Jones in the 90s? Not a chance.

But we'll never know cos they ran away from him! So they obviously thought there was achance they'd lose and I think they know more about it than you!

 

[gunneradt]

if you think Roy Jones or Hopkins ran away from Calzaghe in the 90s I think you are very much deluded. Jones was probably the best fighter in the 90s overall - he's certainly considered that way by most commentators. The problem was he wasn't box office material.

 

[Numbers]

in answer to your question, I think Ali, Frazier, Holmes were certainly superior to Marciano at heavyweight. I alsio believe that Tyson is one of the greats despite his flaws.

We had a Heavyweight top 5/10 recently.

Personally Tyson doesn't make it too high in the list, 'cept by Stalker. Tyson had a good cpl of years but when he came up against someone he couldn't bully, he lost. He could have been greater.

 

[Numbers]

2 monstrous trolls in a sentence-Lacy was at the top of his game when he fought Calzaghe,an on odds favourite to beat him.
Hopkins never really even attempted to fight Calzaghe-just stood on the backfoot and tried the odd counter-Calzaghe boxed his ears off

Not to mention Pops cheating with the low blows, he couldn't take Calzaghe's pace. A great fighter Pops is, but he lost to Calzaghe that night and would have lost by more if he hadn't of stopped play when Calzaghe was cranking up the pressure.

 

[gunneradt]

We had a Heavyweight top 5/10 recently.

Personally Tyson doesn't make it too high in the list, 'cept by Stalker. Tyson had a good cpl of years but when he came up against someone he couldn't bully, he lost. He could have been greater.

Tyson would for me because he was unbeatable for 2/3 years or so and fought everyone they put in front of him. His defeats or vulnerabilities were mainly caused by events outside the ring. They wanted an animal and that's what they trained.

 

[1927]

if you think Roy Jones or Hopkins ran away from Calzaghe in the 90s I think you are very much deluded. Jones was probably the best fighter in the 90s overall - he's certainly considered that way by most commentators. The problem was he wasn't box office material.

I cant remember who it was, but Joe offered one of them a winner takes all bout he was that sure of winning, they wouldnt take it. says it all really.

 

[gunneradt]

It's the 'Calzaghe must be great' thread!!

When they run 50 boxing greats in 20 years' time I doubt he'll be very high. He fough Eubank, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones - arguabley all past their best. I don't feel he beat Hopkins - he was very lucky to get the decision. Take a look through the rest of his opponents - it was a poor list. That's why he remained undefeated.

You can't blame a whole career on fighting poor opponents on the fact that 'they avoided me' - just doesn't happen. He was often coming back from hand injuries and took safe opponents. He got 'bolder' right towards the end but that's about it.

There was also no move to light heavy which a lot of middleweights would do - look at Hearns for example - if the opponents were supposedly 'not there'.

 

[tarannau]

It's the 'Calzaghe must be great' thread!!

When they run 50 boxing greats in 20 years' time I doubt he'll be very high. He fough Eubank, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones - arguabley all past their best. I don't feel he beat Hopkins - he was very lucky to get the decision.

Alternatively,and more pertinently, it's becoming the Gunneradt talking shite thread.

Leaving aside the laughable bollocks about Lacy, Calzaghe went and beat Hopkins in LA, hardly a place where he'd expect the judges on his side. Calzaghe forced the whole fight, threw by far the greater number of punches, was the more aggressive fighter. There's a case for defensive boxing, but to say Calzaghe was 'very lucky' to win is simply daft.

 

[gunneradt]

I have no idea whose side the judges were on. I watched the fight and I had no idea who would get the decision at the end. Calzaghe didn't hurt Hopkins at all in 12 rounds - he was unmarked at the end.

The point I have been responding to is 'Is Calzaghe great'. For remaining unbeaten 'yes' - for the quality of his opponents 'no'. Sugar Ray Leonard lost a few fights but is he great? Yes, unequivocally. He got in there with Duran, Hearns, Hagler and many others. That's what makes a great fighter.

 

[Mr Retro]

Alternatively,and more pertinently, it's becoming the Gunneradt talking shite thread.

Leaving aside the laughable bollocks about Lacy, Calzaghe went and beat Hopkins in LA, hardly a place where he'd expect the judges on his side. Calzaghe forced the whole fight, threw by far the greater number of punches, was the more aggressive fighter. There's a case for defensive boxing, but to say Calzaghe was 'very lucky' to win is simply daft.

So what though? Hopkins was 56 years old or something.

 

[tarannau]

So? You don't receive extra points from the judges for being closer to a complimentary bus pass.

Hopkins was still more than capable of beating Wright and the highly rated Pavlik. Interestingly he didn't look anywhere near as conservative, slow and defensive against Pavlik.

 

[Rollem]

ooooh, my work are looking to get Joe on board to promote sport / boxing to the yoot! i have been promised first dibs on meeting him if we pull it off


anyway, i reckon you will always think that Joe ducked big names, gunneradt, even though in most cases it was the other way round. i am guessing you just don't like him, is it?

 

[internetstalker]

Calzaghe put Eubank down early and then spent the rest of the fight running away as I seem to remember. By the last round calzaghe was holding on for dear life.
Jeff Lacy - but I don't think he was at his peak either when Calzaghe fought him.

It was nothing to do with being a risk. No-one in America had heard of him.

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you. Lacy was past it by the time he fought Calzaghe. I also don't think Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

. I don't feel he beat Hopkins - he was very lucky to get the decision.
There was also no move to light heavy which a lot of middleweights would do

 

[Mikey77]

Calzaghe could have made himself box office material by going to the states and fighting there earlier in his career - he chose not to and only fought in the states for the first time against an old Hopkins. If you want hype you have to go after it in some way - either by going to the states or by making a lot of noise for the cameras at other fighters' press conferences just as David Haye has been doing recently. Calzaghe done neither of these.

He is no different to guys like Dariusz Michalczewski. He was a very good fighter but chose to stay in Europe and play it safe while pretending throughout his career that he wanted to fight the top guys. It was just a sham and Calzaghe does not deserve acclaim for fighting Hopkins and Jones when they were well past their best.

 

[1927]

ooooh, my work are looking to get Joe on board to promote sport / boxing to the yoot! i have been promised first dibs on meeting him if we pull it off


anyway, i reckon you will always think that Joe ducked big names, gunneradt, even though in most cases it was the other way round. i am guessing you just don't like him, is it?

If you get to meet him ask him if he wants to fund my plan to do look after the graves of some of the great welsh boxers like Jimmy Wilde, Jim Driscoll etc.!!