Calzaghe quits boxing Undefeated
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Numbers
an ting!
You just asked for an explanation to the answer of a question not yet answered, therefore unknown.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Numbers
an ting!
I know, I just thought it was great how you asked for it straight after the sentence, it was almost in the same breath.
e2a: I also assumed you expected him to say yes as you had some comparative data.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I know, I just thought it was great how you asked for it straight after the sentence, it was almost in the same breath.
e2a: I also assumed you expected him to say yes as you had some comparative data.
Well I think everyone has Marciano up there as one of the greatest ever, but look at his record, who exactly did he beat!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
did u watch any of his fights?
i was lucky enough to get to see him beat kessler in the Millennium Stadium and that fight was tough!
or is it cos he his Welsh???
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
did u watch any of his fights?
i was lucky enough to get to see him beat kessler in the Millennium Stadium and that fight was tough!
or is it cos he his Welsh???
Are you saying that gunner might be racist?!!!!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Are you saying that gunner might be racist?!!!!
heh! nah just sayin he can't accept Joe's greatness cos he ain't saesnach
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
did u watch any of his fights?
i was lucky enough to get to see him beat kessler in the Millennium Stadium and that fight was tough!
or is it cos he his Welsh???
Don't cheapen Joe like this.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
the only thing that's cheap is your shot, leave it now goodboy...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you misundestand my point. Joe can be defended on his record against all these idiots, serious boxing fans know this. The argument stands up on its own merits. He doesn't need any accusations of anti-welsh crap thrown in.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
yes bossman! (and i didn't misunderstand, just not having it)
any chance you can not cheapen the thread then?, in the same spirit like?
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
did u watch any of his fights?
i was lucky enough to get to see him beat kessler in the Millennium Stadium and that fight was tough!
or is it cos he his Welsh???
...or is that welshist ha ha. Nothing to do with that. I rarely miss any big fights and havent done since the 80s
Look, I'm not knocking him but I just don't believe he fought many quality fighters. Kessler, although quite a big guy, will never be considered top class - and he completely ran out of steam after being the better fighter for the first 4 rounds or so. I think to be considered great you have to have beaten the best or been in there with the best. I'm not sure whether Calzaghe dodged fights or his team just couldn't get them for him - and his absences from the ring certainly didn't help. I think he would have struggled to compete at the top in the middleweight division in the late 80s or early 90s because he wasn't a big enough puncher. Eubank and Benn could have avoided each other but they didn't - that's what made those fights so exciting.
And again the reason Marciano is often overlooked when it comes to greatness is because of the lack of quality in the division at the time. The most exciting boxers are those that have taken risks in their careers. Ricky Hatton has flaws but he doesn't dodge anyone - the same with Lennox Lewis - and the latter was a fighter that other boxers avoided.
Steve Collins was also a fighter who was just after paydays. I remember him thanking Nigel Benn after a fight because he knew it was Benn that had inflated the purse.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Dodging fights, he was minutes away from BH in 2002, Hopkins demanded double money in the meeting and walked.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
Probably lucky for Joe as he would definitely have lost then.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think so too, but he was willing.
Numbers
an ting!
Well, I've been watching boxing since I seen my 1st fight - Ali v Foreman's Rumble in the Jungle in 1974 - and it's my number 1 sport, always has been, I piss my missus off with how much I'm into it.
In all these years and with the thousands of hours of thousands of boxers I've seen, I consider Calzaghe a legend.
He aint even near the best of all time but he is a legend.
Someone else summed it up for me:
The reason in the long term.
Roy Jones was great.
But Bernard Hopkins kept delivering time after time.
Ray Leonard was great.
But Marvin Hagler kept on delivering time after time.
Floyd and Manny were great.
But Joe Calzaghe kept on delivering time after time.
In all these years and with the thousands of hours of thousands of boxers I've seen, I consider Calzaghe a legend.
He aint even near the best of all time but he is a legend.
Someone else summed it up for me:
The reason in the long term.
Roy Jones was great.
But Bernard Hopkins kept delivering time after time.
Ray Leonard was great.
But Marvin Hagler kept on delivering time after time.
Floyd and Manny were great.
But Joe Calzaghe kept on delivering time after time.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
My god,aren't you quite the opinionated myopic knobber. Even Benn himself conceded that Calzaghe would have beaten him, albeit that he would have given him a good tear up.
I would say stick to your misguided Arsenal game reports, but even fellow gooners don't often agree with your uniquely unbalanced versions of events.
I would say stick to your misguided Arsenal game reports, but even fellow gooners don't often agree with your uniquely unbalanced versions of events.
I doubt that very much if I'm honest, although I certainly suspect you're better at watching than playing sport. Neither do you strike me as half as qualified or insightful at commenting on boxing as folks such as Numbers or Relahni. Frankly, you're speaking uninformed nonsense here, with all the grace and insight of a dead stoat.
Hell, like others on here, I've often found it hard to square your weirdly unbalanced gooners match reports with the reality of watching the same game. I think you protest a little too hard.
Hell, like others on here, I've often found it hard to square your weirdly unbalanced gooners match reports with the reality of watching the same game. I think you protest a little too hard.
Is that right?
Dp I sense that you're Welsh by any chance? Why do all the Welshies want everyone to accept that Calzaghe was an all-time great when he clearly wasn't?
I was playing up to the age of 43 and never miss a match home or away. I see the full 90 minutes every week so am perfectly capable of commenting - unlike others who blink through poor sopcast transmissions. In fact I can see the full 90 minutes of virtually any match I wish to watch.
Dp I sense that you're Welsh by any chance? Why do all the Welshies want everyone to accept that Calzaghe was an all-time great when he clearly wasn't?
I was playing up to the age of 43 and never miss a match home or away. I see the full 90 minutes every week so am perfectly capable of commenting - unlike others who blink through poor sopcast transmissions. In fact I can see the full 90 minutes of virtually any match I wish to watch.
Well, my dad's Welsh, but I'm a Londoner and about 57 other nationalities at heart. I played for England schoolboys at rugby as a kid, so I'm hardly some kind of slavering Taff.
Good on you for boasting, but I note you didn't comment on Benn's belief that Calzaghe would have beaten him, nor the fact that your view of things seems contradicted by many qualified others. Some people could spend their whole life watching sport and still wouldn't have a clue.
Good on you for boasting, but I note you didn't comment on Benn's belief that Calzaghe would have beaten him, nor the fact that your view of things seems contradicted by many qualified others. Some people could spend their whole life watching sport and still wouldn't have a clue.
Benn was vulnerable and Watson was similar in some ways to Calzaghe - except that he punched harder. Calzaghe didn't have a punch that would put many boxers down, let alone away.
Benn has become very charitable and is very anti boxing now. I don't believe Calzaghe would have beaten him personally. Calzaghe certainly didn't face any opponents that had that punching power.
Benn has become very charitable and is very anti boxing now. I don't believe Calzaghe would have beaten him personally. Calzaghe certainly didn't face any opponents that had that punching power.
Oh come on, that's guff. Benn had a punch, but so did folks like Lacy. Calzaghe tamed and dismantled him, despite Lacy having previously knocked down the vast majority of his opponents. Including the previously durable Reid who hadn't been down in a 10 year career. He went down 4 times against Lacy before the TKO iirc
Benn had real heart and recklessness, but neither he nor Eubank has the skills to bother Calzaghe. Nor would they have been able to deal with the hand speed.
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