i can't see this working, i mean what about all the lorries & delivery vans, they can't be paying £25 everytime they wanna make a drop?
By 'small' 4x4 do you mean these:T & P said:That means that some, smaller 4x4s will not be charged extra (damned shame if you ask me) and some state cars and saloons will.
It's a good thing of course but I would have included all 4x4s regardless of emissions on account of their inadequacy as city vehicles.
stopurban4x4s said:Hi Folks
Please remember that the SMMT and pro-4x4 lobbyists are trying anyway they can to muddy the argument about 4x4s, just like Exxon Mobile has tried to muddy the facts about climate change.
Buses, at least in London, as well as lorries and taxis, are under the scrutiny of the Mayor, and will be covered in their new exclusion zones regulations.
The recent move towards charging according to CO2 emissions levels will capture most of the highly polluting and heavy 4x4s out there.
Still as we all know most 4x4s present a particular threat to our communities based on their unique combination of height weight shape and emissions.
And with the increasing sales of 4x4s, you see where our roads are heading. More and more large 4x4 vehicles. That's because the industry is agressively marketing these types of vehicles.
So what can all of us do to turn that trend around? We have to do it, because the manufacturers won't do it, the SMMT won't do it, the countryside alliance sure won't do it, and national government won't do it.
It's up to each of us.
Err, doesn't help me much that, does it?Giles said:Simple: If you don't want a large 4x4, don't buy one.
Let's make it simple.Descartes said:I just love the accusation of of, ' they try and muddy the waters' when any pro 4x4 comments...
Would someone out there in the anti 4x4 brigade
Are you a bit slow or something?Descartes said:Why is it that the antis cannot answer the most simple of questions?
Let's make it simple?editor said:Let's make it simple.
Do you think over-sized, needlessly large, needlessly heavy, over-engineered 4x4 vehicles are:
(a) good for the environment?
(b) good for urban areas?
(c) a responsible purchase?
(d) helping the fight against global warming?
(e) friendly to city streets and pedestrians?
(f) a great step forward in preference to smaller, lighter, less aggressive and less polluting city vehicles?
Over engineered is better than under-engineered don't you think?editor said:Are you a bit slow or something?
I've already explained exactly what kind of 4x4 I'm against.
Here's a clue: it's the big over-engineered ones.
Any chance of you answering my questions now chief?
Cycle much, do you?TonkaToy said:If someone feels that 4x4's are threatening, they must be petrified of buses and lorries.
Well, the case for big hunking SUVs/4x4s just defies all logic.Sweetpea said:Easy... you don't want to come across as militant, do you?
You could start with this ridiculous beast:Descartes said:You can detail all the faults but no name. or model... Hmmmmm
There's quite an irony to the fact that way back in Roman times wagons, carts and other wheeled vehicles were forced by law to only move around at night because of congestion.aurora green said:Personally, I feel the whole 4X4 issue is a bit of a red herring, because it's all cars that are the problem. We all urgently need to be seriously considering alternatives to the private motor car, and imagining our future cities car-free.
I don't need to give you evidence any more that I would have to give you evidence that the Earth is round.Descartes said:Blah blah blah.
Are you ever going to get your head out of your arse?Descartes said:ROFLMAO....
Four photographs only one... one.... could be remotely connected with the debate.. one Japanese registed... and the other two from US publications...
You guys, I can understand if you have thrown your rattles out of your prams.. but please be realistic.. UK United Kingdom...