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Cafe Nero is coming to Brixton!

Hollis said:
Yeah, but I think it isn't Cafe Nero which is solely responsible for this, maybe not even the main cause - its business rates and rents which are crushing small business everywhere.

No arguement there, but they may be the final sraw.

I believe this is just the start. How much longer will Starbucks ignore the massive potential profit in Brixton? There is, however, a need for the independents to adapt to the way people want to visit coffee shops. Longer opening hours, choice of food and drinks, decor etc.

The Lounge is an independent that is a perfect example of how to make yourself more attractive than a chain. If many other independents don't take a similar route they'll be gone in 5 years.
 
Mr Retro said:
The Lounge is an independent that is a perfect example of how to make yourself more attractive than a chain. If many other independents don't take a similar route they'll be gone in 5 years.
Hasn't it gone bust though?
It hasn't been open the last few times I went there, even on a Saturday.
 
Orang Utan said:
Hasn't it gone bust though?
It hasn't been open the last few times I went there, even on a Saturday.

Eh. It was open this weekend when I went past. Are you not thinking of Atlantico (now open as Bar 628)...
 
tarannau said:
Eh. It was open this weekend when I went past. Are you not thinking of Atlantico (now open as Bar 628)...
Good! It was definitely the Lounge - about 2/3 weeks ago, I went there to get brekkie on a Saturday and it was closed and I had to resort to The Prince for breakfast.
 
the lounge is always packed! and should be open on sundays.

that bar 62thingie has the worst lighting i've ever come across in a restaurant. makes me feel im in a trance club. :(
 
Blimey, I'm sure the Lounge is open Sundays as well. I reckon I must be walking past a different space-time dimension or something.

I do recall the Lounge having the doors shut early one Saturday evening recently, but that was for a Kid's birthday do.
 
tarannau said:
Blimey, I'm sure the Lounge is open Sundays as well. I reckon I must be walking past a different space-time dimension or something.

I do recall the Lounge having the doors shut early one Saturday evening recently, but that was for a Kid's birthday do.
It is open on Sundays although sometimes opens quite late.

The Ritzy's got a good cafe too, btw.
 
Mr Retro said:
No arguement there, but they may be the final sraw.

I believe this is just the start. How much longer will Starbucks ignore the massive potential profit in Brixton? There is, however, a need for the independents to adapt to the way people want to visit coffee shops. Longer opening hours, choice of food and drinks, decor etc.

The Lounge is an independent that is a perfect example of how to make yourself more attractive than a chain. If many other independents don't take a similar route they'll be gone in 5 years.

Its all chicken and egg innit. An area moves upmarket, more wealth, greater spending power.. up the rent and rates.. but the chains move in.. Big double wammy.
 
Its easy to make yourself 'appear' more attractive, but ultimately the customers have got to come and spend. The corporates have all the benefit of economies of scale, being able to cross -subsidise between units, standadization, and dare I say it, "good" managment.
 
reNnIe said:
that bar 62thingie has the worst lighting i've ever come across in a restaurant. makes me feel im in a trance club. :(

Really is a bizarre place. And given its only been open a few weeks and is already empty most evenings I fear the worse.

Great idea that frosted glass stopping anyone outside looking in and vice versa
 
Hollis said:
Its easy to make yourself 'appear' more attractive, but ultimately the customers have got to come and spend. The corporates have all the benefit of economies of scale, being able to cross -subsidise between units, standadization, and dare I say it, "good" managment.

No problem with the economies of scale issue, but the last point strikes me as unlikely to say the least - many of the coffee shop chains boast a very high turnover of managers. The cynical amongst us may suggest that they tend to use up and spit out assistant managers in particular, perhaps because salaried workers work out cheaper per hour than part timers in the longer term and may show greater commitment.

Same in the pub and restaurant trade in general. In many ways it's more about the processes and de-skilling staff rather than any notions of forward thinking and 'good' management.
 
tarannau said:
No problem with the economies of scale issue, but the last point strikes me as unlikely to say the least - many of the coffee shop chains boast a very high turnover of managers. The cynical amongst us may suggest that they tend to use up and spit out assistant managers in particular, perhaps because salaried workers work out cheaper per hour than part timers in the longer term and may show greater commitment.

Same in the pub and restaurant trade in general. In many ways it's more about the processes and de-skilling staff rather than any notions of forward thinking and 'good' management.

Yes - I was really referring to managment in the Head Office, business model sense.. like how can we bleed our staff the best.
 
editor said:
The Ritzy's got a good cafe too, btw.

And can I give my predictable shout out to O Cantinho de Portugal. The nicest espresso ever. Pop in for one with a pastry and it will cost you £1.50
 
Hollis said:
Your local greasy spoon is also of course a long term health risk.
Perhaps... though they're not in the business of brainwashing children into becoming regular patrons through relentless advertising campaigns, free toys and generous donations to schools of nursery rhymes books that happen to have a McDonalds plug on every other page.
 
Mr Retro said:
And can I give my predictable shout out to O Cantinho de Portugal. The nicest espresso ever. Pop in for one with a pastry and it will cost you £1.50

Don't tell everyone.;)
 
dervish said:
But not too bothered about a Neros. At least it's better than bloody Starbucks.


Surely they're virtually identical? Merely places to buy beverages. Not good, not bad....just coffee shops! It's like saying Superdrug is OK but Boots?! Boots can fuck right off, the bastards...

Mine's a latte
 
Meerkat said:
I want a proper cup of coffee from a proper copper coffee pot
champion lurker! welcome sir :)


i like decent coffee - it's gotta be black - but Orangutan is right...tea is the drink of kings. I'm already there in your teashop Gaijingirl!! ;)
 
Neros is Whitbread or someone isnt it ?

Problem is , once they have taken the first step ans made their footprint, its usual for their co-conspirators to start doing their sums and buying up in the locale as well, putting up rents etc.

Some would say its a slippery slope, but others argue that if the local Biznesses are any good, then they will retain their customer whatever.

I think the interesting thing here is NOT the businesses that make the difference, but the CUSTOMERS who go to them - chicken / egg situation -ish.Sometimes you can see how deep most consumers loyalty is by the way they switch brands to the bigger name for no real end benefit.Would you go out of your way for a particular coffee brand ? I probabaly wouldnt & Im a bastard for my Java

It will be interesting to see if people embrace it or dont bother giving Neros their custom - I am a grim cynical fucker, so will guess that Neros will do well, as the vacant, shallow, one dimensional ,consumerist, brainwashed, brand fixated sheep than seem to dominate the UK these days will pile in without a thought.

Lordship lane / East Dulwich never really had a good coffee shop - I dont count the Blue MOUntain cafe as a good coffee shop, as it was always full to bustng with eager thrusting Middle class mums and their heinous offspring , and their Coffee wanst too good either .
 
San Marino next to the Beehive serve about the only genuinely decent coffee in Brixton in terms of take away.
The're not only good but at £1 a pop, bloody cheap too. I would hope that they'd be able to carry even with a possible Nero due to customer loyalty to price+quality.
TBH, when they go on their August hols, there isn't really any other decent take away option in central Brixton. (early morning)
 
kyser_soze said:
So what places in Brixton serve decent coffee that Nero's will be putting out of business?

I'm sure it won't go out of business but Opus on Acre Lane serves the best coffee in Brixton.
 
Out of curiosity, do you think this conversation would have happened 10 years ago? Not the conversation about Starbucks/Costa etc., but coffee shops in general?
 
Orang Utan said:
Nero/Costa/Starbucks - they're all the same - I never set foot in them - they're a needless extravagance - do we need coffee? No. Do we need pastries and croissants? No.
These places bring out the Yorkshireman in me.


The dirty robbing bastards......

Aye.
 
Pie 1 said:
San Marino next to the Beehive serve about the only genuinely decent coffee in Brixton in terms of take away.
The're not only good but at £1 a pop, bloody cheap too. I would hope that they'd be able to carry even with a possible Nero due to customer loyalty to price+quality.
TBH, when they go on their August hols, there isn't really any other decent take away option in central Brixton. (early morning)

I would have thought a poncey fop like yourself would have had one of these in his kitchen anyway... Why you buy take-out, you lazy fuck?

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Minnie_the_Minx said:
Out of curiosity, do you think this conversation would have happened 10 years ago? Not the conversation about Starbucks/Costa etc., but coffee shops in general?

San Marino has been going for longer than 10 years. Also I used to frequent Max's on Atlantic Road around that time.( is it still there?)
me and my mates used to compare the two and some other places as well until a couple bought those Italian stovetop things and I got a fuckoff espresso machine whoch is the way forward for all.
 
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