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Cafe Nero is coming to Brixton!

Nickster said:
Just a thought....why are coffee house chains singled out for being bad for Brixton? Why not have a go at all chains. Boots, Woolies, estate agents (well actually I guess they deserve it, the smug b*stards!)
That's a good point IMO.

Let's face it- Brixton is already gentrified/cloned beyond repair. McShite, KFC, Foot Locker, Sainsburys Local, M&S, Boots, Vodafone, Body Shop, Subway, Argos...

I don't think the addition of a Cafe Nero, even if it were to be on the street instead of tucked away inside Morleys, would change things for the worse...
 
It has been there donkeys for donkeys though. Don't quite see KFC, Foot Locker, McDonalds and Argos as signs of gentification myself...
 
spanglechick said:
is globalism less of a problem if we can't see it from the pavement, then? ;)

Well yes - Atleast its not distorting the visual culture of Brixton. - If you cant see it it aint a problem.

:) :)
 
brixtonvilla said:
It has been there donkeys for donkeys though. Don't quite see KFC, Foot Locker, McDonalds and Argos as signs of gentification myself...

Good point, perhaps a better word is commercialisation or corporatism? Seems to me that complaining about a chain because it’s perceived as being middle class but having no problem with Mcshite (cos ordinary folk use it innit?) etc is a little odd.:confused:
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Good point, perhaps a better word is commercialisation or corporatism? Seems to me that complaining about a chain because it’s perceived as being middle class but having no problem with Mcshite (cos ordinary folk use it innit?) etc is a little odd.:confused:

I think its largely that. And that a 'coffee shop', is more distinctively part of leisure culture.. you're at footlocker to buy something, McDonalds/KFC is essentially fast food.

A 'coffee shop' is something different, a place where you intend to linger and take in its idiosycrisises as part of the experience. Cafe Nero, Starbucks dumb down the experience and effectively bland you out as a consumer.
 
We recently got a Cafe Nero in Crystal Palace, I just laugh at the people sitting in the windows trying to look cool and sophisticated.
Its a shithole and so plastic and fake it makes the macdonalds opposite look like a.....errr....um....Wimpey..or something.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Good point, perhaps a better word is commercialisation or corporatism? Seems to me that complaining about a chain because it’s perceived as being middle class but having no problem with Mcshite (cos ordinary folk use it innit?) etc is a little odd.:confused:
Couldn't give a fuck about the class/status of people going there, but I do care when I see independent, locally-run shops disappearing forever and every High Street in Britain turning into a bland, multinational carbon copy of the other.
 
editor said:
Couldn't give a fuck about the class/status of people going there, but I do care when I see independent, locally-run shops disappearing forever and every High Street in Britain turning into a bland, multinational carbon copy of the other.
Absolutely... though sadly that's why it will make little difference if a Cafe Nero opens seeing as Brixton already has so many other clone town chain stores gracing its streets.

You could say that the more bland chain stores that open the worse it gets of course. Though I still feel a Cafe Nero would be but a drop in the ocean at this stage.

Perhaps it's just perception/prejudice but I have a lot less antipathy for a Cafe Nero than for a Subway or a McDonalds.
 
moon said:
We recently got a Cafe Nero in Crystal Palace, I just laugh at the people sitting in the windows trying to look cool and sophisticated.

How the hell does having a coffee make you look cool and sophisticated???

It doesn't.

If some 70 yr old lady finds the window seat is the only seat available and sits there she's trying to be cool and sophisticated?? /laff
 
gaijingirl said:
ooh.. gaijinboy and I made a "biscuit-henge" wedding cake for our mates' wedding which was featured on www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com. It went down very well! :D
i love the poll on their front page!

Jaffa Cake Developments

I'm all for innovation
(366 votes)

If its not broken don't fix it
(207 votes)

They went for the wrong flavours
(111 votes)

Actually I don't like Jaffa Cakes
(180 votes)

They should just make them bigger that would work for me
(480 votes)
Total votes: 1344
 
T & P said:
Perhaps it's just perception/prejudice but I have a lot less antipathy for a Cafe Nero than for a Subway or a McDonalds.

Because its "European" rather than Yanky corporate?
 
memespring said:
as a sidetrack, the best tea shop in the world is the Mock Turtle in Brighton - doughnuts the size of cricket balls!
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anyone visited the tea shop in aldeburgh run by the crump sisters? might not be there anymore i guess. it did not open until 3pm on the dot so you joined the queue to watch the window fill up with huge piles of scrummy home-made cakes and scones and sausage rolls.

when the doors opened you grabbed a table, tea would be brought and you helped yourself to the food. no table service. after, you went to the till and told them what you ate and they totted up the bill on trust. :)

trust: an amazing olde-world granny thing i guess :D
</offtopic>
 
Kanda said:
How the hell does having a coffee make you look cool and sophisticated???

It doesn't.

If some 70 yr old lady finds the window seat is the only seat available and sits there she's trying to be cool and sophisticated?? /laff

LOL you really dont have a clue do you. ;)
 
Yeah i do. I just don't make blatant generalisations :)

My point:

There's a Cafe Nero in Clapham Junction. It's the only real place to sit if you've got a wait for a train (unless you want to sit in Burger King).. doesn't mean all the clientelle are trying to be cool :)
 
Ah, fair enough, I thought the thread was discussing Cafe Nero as a chain on the whole.

Therefore, I took your post as generalising that anyone that sits in one is trying to look cool and sophisticated. When it could be that they actually didn't have much choice, hence my example :)
 
It’s funny how Urban creeps into real world awareness. On the bus this morning I noticed a tea shop next to London Bridge station which I’ve never noticed until now! It’s called My Tea Place and it’s at the top end of Tooley Street (where it connects with London Bridge).
 
gaijingirl said:
Right that's it you!! When I open my award winning, incredibly popular tea shop with yummy cakes in Brixton.. you're BARRED :mad:


Lovely. Gold top milk or cream?

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dervish said:
But not too bothered about a Neros. At least it's better than bloody Starbucks.

But what worries me about this is when Nero comes to an area, Starbucks can't be too far behind with about 3 stores. 2 to put Nero out of business and 1 to put local coffee shops out of business.
 
Mr Retro said:
But what worries me about this is when Nero comes to an area, Starbucks can't be too far behind with about 3 stores. 2 to put Nero out of business and 1 to put local coffee shops out of business.
Fair enough - except there aren't any local coffee shops to put out of business!!

Jacaranda garden used to do good cakes and coffee - now upmarket wine bar.
S'pose Lounge could be at risk? Doubt it though.

There is ECO in the market - basic on the cakes, but excellent coffee.
 
Plus ca change...

I believe Quin and Axten's of Brixton may have been the first store with an in-house tea room

London in my Time said:
To-day, a woman can do her household shopping under one roof, but in those days the big department store for women, covering most of her personal and household requirements, was only in its infancy. Aunt Jane's shopping was therefore a business of visiting, during her week, some thirty different shops, and this meant a series of buses and four-wheelers. The buses in those days still lived in the last throes of the coaching atmosphere. Instead of cabalistic numbers and initial letters, they had names. Just as the coaches had been named Defiance, Quicksilver, Wonder, Rapid, Reliable, so the buses were The Atlas, The Favourite, The Royal Blue. Most of my early rides seem to have been associated with the Royal Blue. I forget its route, but I feel sure that it touched Piccadilly Circus, and I have memories of mounting and dismounting from it at that spot on these shopping tours. It may have touched Oxford Circus, too, since it seems that one was in the Royal Blue at a few minutes to eleven, and at eleven one was buying glories in Buszard's.

I recall visits to other "pastrycook's" besides Buszard's; it was Aunt Jane's regular custom to withdraw from the fray at mid-morning and take biscuits and a glass of "sherry wine," giving me the freedom of the pastry counter. I cannot find those pastrycooks now. Indeed, I know of but one pastrycook's of the old style remaining in London, and that one is in Jermyn Street. Unless Gunter's and Rumpelmayer's can be covered by that term. Aunt Jane would never patronise the new tea-shops, which were then opening in different parts of the town, chiefly because they were new and not of her youth. She must always find a pastrycook's. Lunch meant returning to her hotel, or looking about for one of the few restaurants to which a solitary female could go. In this matter the modern woman shopper enjoys another advantage over her mother and grandmother. Not only can she do her household and garden shopping under one roof; she can spend the day there and take lunch and tea in agreeable surroundings, without leaving it. If she cares to go elsewhere, any restaurant is open to her; she could even go to a public-house if she wished to, without incurring the suspicion, common in Aunt Jane's day, of being no better than she should be. (Though how any human creature could be anything else is a question which used to puzzle me every time I saw or heard the phrase.)

I believe it was some suburban drapery store which was the pioneer in this matter of refreshment. I think I have heard that somewhere in South London a large establishment of this sort made the experiment of setting aside one room of its premises for afternoon tea. The experiment was a success, and on the news of its success a number of central London houses followed its example, and soon extended it from afternoon tea to lunch, and finally to an all-day service. Then, of course, the giant stores arrived, with their roof-garden restaurants, their palm-lounges for tea, their rest-rooms, writing-rooms, telephone-rooms, hairdressing-rooms, exhibitions and entertainments, and all the other services of a metropolitan High Street. So that the housewife of to-day can not only cover all her domestic business in one shop, but can get for nothing the sort of Happy Day which her grandmother had when she went to the Crystal Palace.

Source
 
OpalFruit said:
Fair enough - except there aren't any local coffee shops to put out of business!!

Ant the Italian place by the Beehive - (San Marino?) and the deli/coffe shop in the Market (Rosies?)
 
Mr Retro said:
Ant the Italian place by the Beehive - (San Marino?) and the deli/coffe shop in the Market (Rosies?)

Yeah, but I think it isn't Cafe Nero which is solely responsible for this, maybe not even the main cause - its business rates and rents which are crushing small business everywhere.
 
Hollis said:
I'd say because its offering more of a bourgeois product range.
Some people might see it that way but I certainly don't.

McDonalds is a repugnant, evil corporation and its so-called food a long term health risk for those who ingest it regularly.

Subway is a bit better though.
 
T & P said:
Some people might see it that way but I certainly don't.

McDonalds is a repugnant, evil corporation and its so-called food a long term health risk for those who ingest it regularly.

Subway is a bit better though.

Your local greasy spoon is also of course a long term health risk.
 
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