C-nts on Trains

[Velouria]

I'm going to have to change my password again aren't I?

Virtual machines

Create a VM for your modily functions, then set the permissions to deny AS access.

Then whole disk encrypt the fucker with TrueCrypt.

Problem solved!

 

[dessiato]

So, a woman gets on the train at Coventry and dumps her suitcase behind the last seat as you come into the carriage. I’m sitting in my wheelchair, thinking ‘here we go again’.

“Excuse me, don’t leave luggage there as it blocks my access in and out of the carriage.” I trot out – this being the umpteenth time I’d repeated the fucking thing.

This cunt looks at me as though I’m evil incarnate; and, begins to remonstrate. I simply point to a sign some 12” from her case; to which the cunt says “Yes, I read that!”

Cunt!

I saw something of this fuckwit attitude last year. I was on a train and a family quite carefully and tidily stacked all their cases in the disabled area. I pointed this out to which they said it wasn't a problem they would move it later. When I got off three hours later, I had not seen the people at all, and the luggage was still in the same place.

Why do people do this? It really is beyond my understanding

 

[dessiato]

That's exactly what being a Tory does mean.

No it doesn't any more than your post means you are a left wing, intolerant, immature twat.

 

[Velouria]

Forgot to add...

yes the OP is right, the suitcase slattern is a cunt

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Bollocks. Some rules should be able to be bent if the situation forces it. If there is NO ALTERNATIVE to putting the bag down then fair dos but it is the responsibilty of the passenger with the bag to make sure that the bag doesn't inconvenience people whether they are wheelchair users or not. Now I'm not denying that the person with the bag in this encounter probably was a rude bastard but that doesn't mean everyone with a bag in the wrong place is a rude bastard. Don't be melodramatic you don't have to explain that you are going for apiss you just have to say excuse me can you move the bag. A reasonable person would do this without a problem although thats not to say there are unreasonable people out there who the rules ARE aimed at.

Let me explain; If I've got large bags and I've got no alternative but to put it down somewhere inconvenient then I make damn sure I am able to move it and keep an eye out for people wanting to move along the carriage so I can move it without being asked. That is what I call a reasonable way to behave in a situation where there is no alternative but to put the bag down where it is.

Its not a situation where I think my rules are best its seeing that some situations need give and take. Just calling people 'cunts' for stuff like this is pointless and counterproductive.

Or you could just avoid being a cunt in the first place and respect the request not to stick bags in a reserved space for wheelchair users. Isn't that fucking difficult to understand is it? Allowing someone to have access whilst on a train shouldn't be a fucking gift that is granted by some idiot like you, it should be a simple basic expectation that everyone understands and adheres to as they recognise the need for keeping that space clear.

 

[Azrael]

I make an effort to keep my bag off the seats, let alone spaces for disabled people. What sort of selfish nonentity blocks a wheelchair user in when they've been asked to move?

This is why I support guards on trains, to eject such people. While the train's yet to stop, preferably.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

I saw something of this fuckwit attitude last year. I was on a train and a family quite carefully and tidily stacked all their cases in the disabled area. I pointed this out to which they said it wasn't a problem they would move it later. When I got off three hours later, I had not seen the people at all, and the luggage was still in the same place.

Why do people do this? It really is beyond my understanding

Tbf, they're priority areas rather than only areas, aren't they? As long as you keep an eye on the area to see if anyone else needs it, and you're able to move the stuff pretty damn sharpish if they do, then that doesn't break any rules, does it? Though sounds like that family weren't keeping an eye on their stuff by your reckoning.

 

[8ball]

It would also help if the cunts running the train put enough carriages on so that things would actually fit.

 

[Zachor]

*Agent Sparrow posting*

Tbf, there's a massive difference between putting your bag down in the flexible space/corridor when no one is using it and being willing to move it immediately when necessary, and behaving like the person in the OP. I dunno, perhaps if when Urbanblues asked the person to move it they immediately apologised and moved their bag, they might feel differently about it. But the thread was about the person in the OP, not some hypothetical polite and apologetic person.

Exactly. The point I was trying to make. Sometimes there is no alternative to putting a bag down in the wrong place. The person mentioned in the OP is a rude bastard and deserves shaming but with a bit of politeness and a bit of give and take problems such as this can be averted.

I wasn't having a go at Urbanblues I was trying to point out that there are sometimes two points of view of such situations but how people deal with them makes a lot of difference.

 

[Urbanblues]

No it doesn't any more than your post means you are a left wing, intolerant, immature twat.

Oh dear....

 

[Urbanblues]

Exactly. The point I was trying to make. Sometimes there is no alternative to putting a bag down in the wrong place. The person mentioned in the OP is a rude bastard and deserves shaming but with a bit of politeness and a bit of give and take problems such as this can be averted.

I wasn't having a go at Urbanblues I was trying to point out that there are sometimes two points of view of such situations but how people deal with them makes a lot of difference.

No. One view. Stop making life difficult for crips. That's all.

You Tories own everything else. Give us crips the right to complain about that which you don't own but control.

 

[Celt]

I agree on a lot of levels, I am so sick of the young people who park in disabled bays at asda so they won't have so walk so far to the cashpoint

 

[Urbanblues]

I agree on a lot of levels, I am so sick of the young people who park in disabled bays at asda so they won't have so walk so far to the cashpoint

I'd love to walk so far to a cashpoint....

 

[Urbanblues]

Exactly. The point I was trying to make. Sometimes there is no alternative to putting a bag down in the wrong place. The person mentioned in the OP is a rude bastard and deserves shaming but with a bit of politeness and a bit of give and take problems such as this can be averted.

I wasn't having a go at Urbanblues I was trying to point out that there are sometimes two points of view of such situations but how people deal with them makes a lot of difference.

Of course there are two points of view; there's the correct and the incorrect. It is that simple.

Zachor, politeness in such circumstances is merely shorthand for cunts like you taking the piss, and then rubbing it in. Why can’t wankers like you accept simple rules? Are you so arrogant that you regard yourself above such conventions? If a sign asks you to keep the area clear, just do so.


If you must be a cunt, do so in the privacy of your own home. Be a cunt with your wife and family; don’t be a cunt with me, please.

 

[Urbanblues]

No it doesn't any more than your post means you are a left wing, intolerant, immature twat.

dessiato, I must admit to having an unnatural loathing for Tories. If I’ve offended you, well so be it; it’s a weakness.

 

[Zachor]

Of course there are two points of view; there's the correct and the incorrect. It is that simple.

Zachor, politeness in such circumstances is merely shorthand for cunts like you taking the piss, and then rubbing it in. Why can’t wankers like you accept simple rules? Are you so arrogant that you regard yourself above such conventions? If a sign asks you to keep the area clear, just do so.


If you must be a cunt, do so in the privacy of your own home. Be a cunt with your wife and family; don’t be a cunt with me, please.

Still can't see whats wrong with moving a bag when asked.

The fact that youcan't see that and you also accuse me as a Tory supporter of 'owning everything' (last time I fucking looked I don't own anything apart from my car). Which is just immature sixth form politics bullshit to me.

I wasn't being a cunt with you I was merely agreeing with you that the person in the original post with the bagt was a rude bastard but was pointing out that not everyone who puts a bag down in an inappropriate place when there is no other option is a similar rude bastard.

Politeness in these circumstances is not 'rubbing it in' or 'taking the piss' its being aware of what you are doing in a particular situation and making sure that others are not inconvenienced by it.

If there is no alternative to putting a bag downin an aisle then you should be prepared to move it quickley and hopefully without being asked to do so. In other words its being a considerate and thoughtful member of society.

I dont' regard myself as being above conventions but occasionally there are sub optimal situations such as when all the luggage areas are full where there is no alternative but to bend the rule but be as flexible as possible and to try not to piss people off.

Life aint perfect but to be a good citizen means looking out for others and making sure that wheelchair users and others are not blocked from the toilets and the exits on public transport and this applies all the time not just when the luggage racks are full.

Why can you not see that most people if they have no alternative to putting a bag down in an inappropriate place will not be as rude or arrogant as the person in the OP? Most people will be polite and helpful and not obstructive.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bollocks. Some rules should be able to be bent if the situation forces it.

Except that what you're actually saying here is that you, as an "able-bodied" person, should be able to "bend the rules" that are there to facilitate the movement of "disabled" people.

If there is NO ALTERNATIVE to putting the bag down then fair dos but it is the responsibilty of the passenger with the bag to make sure that the bag doesn't inconvenience people whether they are wheelchair users or not. Now I'm not denying that the person with the bag in this encounter probably was a rude bastard but that doesn't mean everyone with a bag in the wrong place is a rude bastard.

It certainly means that they're an inconsiderate and selfish bastard or bitch.

Don't be melodramatic you don't have to explain that you are going for apiss you just have to say excuse me can you move the bag. A reasonable person would do this without a problem although thats not to say there are unreasonable people out there who the rules ARE aimed at.

Let me explain; If I've got large bags and I've got no alternative but to put it down somewhere inconvenient then I make damn sure I am able to move it and keep an eye out for people wanting to move along the carriage so I can move it without being asked. That is what I call a reasonable way to behave in a situation where there is no alternative but to put the bag down where it is.

Its not a situation where I think my rules are best its seeing that some situations need give and take. Just calling people 'cunts' for stuff like this is pointless and counterproductive.

Cunt.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you know what Zachor, it's people like you that really piss me off. It's a simple rule, don't clog the arteries of the carriage. Yet, you insist that working to your rules is best.

What else do you expect? He's a selfish tory cunt, after all.

Well it isn’t on. I shouldn’t have to explain my situation to you or anyone else every time I need a piss when travelling on a train. The rule concerning the keeping of certain areas free for access should be adhered to by all.

This is where I'm lucky enough to still be on sticks. If people don't shift when asked politely, I can "accidentally" crack them on the shins or crush a toe.

Anyone who dumps luggage in restricted areas especially when asked not to by a wheelchair user is a thoughtless wanker; actually no, they’re cunts. I knew I had it right the first time.

Agreed. All you're wanting is what boils down to common courtesy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just cos someones a tory doesn't mean they are self centred.

Millions of non-tories, and even quite a few tories would disagree with you.

I think if you have an inconvenient bag then its your responsiblity to see that it is either stowed correctly or you can move it when needed. What on fucking earth is wrong with that?

It shouldn't have been stowed where it was in the first place, you numpty.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I saw something of this fuckwit attitude last year. I was on a train and a family quite carefully and tidily stacked all their cases in the disabled area. I pointed this out to which they said it wasn't a problem they would move it later. When I got off three hours later, I had not seen the people at all, and the luggage was still in the same place.

Why do people do this? It really is beyond my understanding

Because they feel that their own needs must take precedence over those of anyone else. You can bet that if a disabled person had boarded the train and wanted to use the area, they would either have been ignored, or glared daggers at by the interlopers.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I make an effort to keep my bag off the seats, let alone spaces for disabled people. What sort of selfish nonentity blocks a wheelchair user in when they've been asked to move?

Well, quite.
I've always made a habit of stowing my luggage properly (even though doing so is quite painful for me), large items in overhead or carriage-end racks, hand luggage under the seat or on my lap, even if it's a long journey. That way, the only person I inconvenience is me.

This is why I support guards on trains, to eject such people. While the train's yet to stop, preferably.

Not that guards actually did eject that many people, but the mere presence was prophylactic.

 

[8ball]

I think Zachor has been very reasonable in the face of extreme provocation on this thread.

I am so sacked from the monothought clique . .

 

[Zachor]

It shouldn't have been stowed where it was in the first place, you numpty.

In the OP case you are quite right. However what about if the train is crowded and there is no space in the luggage rack I cannot for the life of me see whats wrong with the person with the bag being aware that their property is causing a problem and being aware of what is going on around them so that they can move the bag when necessary. It goes without saying that if you HAVE to put the bag down in an inappropriate place then you must be aware that there may be people with sensory or physical disabilities who will need you to move it.

 

[Zachor]

I think Zachor has been very reasonable in the face of extreme provocation on this thread.

I am so sacked from the monothought clique . .

Thanks. BTW for peoples information I've been an access officer for various events and have a lot of experience in planning level access routes, and checking that the ramps and doors are suitable, making sure there is enough room in corridors to turn a large powered wheelchair, booked and supervised both BSL and SSE signers, got Braille translations of documents etc etc and I've always done this in consultation with potential and actual service users.

Been there done that printed the t shirt. There will always be intolerant people in any area of life.

 

[Urbanblues]

Thanks. BTW for peoples information I've been an access officer for various events and have a lot of experience in planning level access routes, and checking that the ramps and doors are suitable, making sure there is enough room in corridors to turn a large powered wheelchair, booked and supervised both BSL and SSE signers, got Braille translations of documents etc etc and I've always done this in consultation with potential and actual service users.

Been there done that printed the t shirt. There will always be intolerant people in any area of life.

Bollocks!

 

[ViolentPanda]

In the OP case you are quite right. However what about if the train is crowded and there is no space in the luggage rack I cannot for the life of me see whats wrong with the person with the bag being aware that their property is causing a problem and being aware of what is going on around them so that they can move the bag when necessary. It goes without saying that if you HAVE to put the bag down in an inappropriate place then you must be aware that there may be people with sensory or physical disabilities who will need you to move it.

I've never been on even a crowded train where all the luggage racks were full. I have seen plenty of blocked aisles because people are too fucking precious or lazy to put their luggage in the rack in the first place or have some strange paranoia that if their luggage isn't to hand it'll be nicked, and generally the people who do block aisles etc act like they're doing you a favour if you ask them to shift the offending item. Guess what? You're not doing me a favour, you shouldn't have blocked the fucking aisle in the first place!

 

[8ball]

When I travel back to Wales for Christmas the luggage racks can be over-packed for obvious reasons - the same happened when I did the same at Easter. I travel from a city with two Universities so it's easy to see how that can happen . .

 

[Zachor]

When I travel back to Wales for Christmas the luggage racks can be over-packed for obvious reasons - the same happened when I did the same at Easter. I travel from a city with two Universities so it's easy to see how that can happen . .

Yeah I agree there. You do get occasions where the luggage racks are full in the situations like you say.

Also to answer VP, I see nothing unreasonable in being worried that someone would thieve your luggage.

As I've have said before on here. Its a situation that sometimes requires give and take and awareness of the situation around you.