"Buying" Essays online

[118118]

That's actually a tricky one.

For example not everyone has the ability, training nor aptitude to be a heart surgeon. However, more people have the ability, training and aptitude to be cleaners.

Yet both are vital functions within our society. (I really hate it when people look down on those who carry out essential functions that enable society to function - think of those expensive car drivers who give London bus drivers a hard time on the road.)

This comes back to "each according to their abilities and needs."

The problem is in this celebrity-obsessed world, glamour models and footballers earn far more for doing far less. It's especially the case with glamour models - perpetuated by "mens" magazines and the tabloid newspapers that send out messages to people that this is a reasonable way to make a living. I personally think that people are capable of much more positive things than stripping off for a camera or selling a warts-and-all tale of sex with a footballer/soap star in the hope that it will lead to a career in glamour modelling.

intersting but slightly irrelevant wrt discussion. btw its great that you never react to anything

 

[Bob_the_lost]

are you actually trying to bully me into feeling bad about having a mental illness bob

Yes, that's exactly what i'm trying to do. Pillock (If you haven't picked it up, that was sarcastic).

If you have a problem then you talk to your lecturers about it, they will then try to find the fairest way to help you to proceed. Extra time in exams, relaxed deadlines, additional help from lecturers etc. All fine if you need it to show your potential and your ability.

But you're not talking about that, you're talking about pretending to be better than you are.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Being from "the other place" the only thing that saddens me about "Oxbridge" is that it still seems to be the preserve of the public schools - 7% of UK school kids going to such schools but making up 50% of Oxbridge intakes.

(The question then is how to deal with this - but that is for another thread.)

But as my other half studies in Cambridge it is a beautiful and awe-inspiring place. I just wish it could be more accessible to people from more backgrounds - which is why I get so angry about failings in the state education system.

 

[equationgirl]

I was ill for five months from the January before my finals right through to my finals.

I told the department right from the start that I was ill, and was cut slack for attending lectures, but I still had to turn in all my coursework and complete my dissertation.

I got a first and was second in my year. I didn't cheat.

Yes, it's shit that you were ill for one of your years at uni. Doesn't give you license to plagarise though, or call people slime because they don't condone what you did.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

btw its great that you never react to anything

Thank you (The PCS union trained me in handling personal cases and to find out what the issue are, trying to see through the hostility between people. Had a very tricky case between senior managers last year that I cut my teeth on!)

 

[wrysmile]

lol. been cheatin'

more seriously, your ad hominems are like water off a paranoiacs back etc..

Hmmm... now I see why you need to cheat. You'd be in considerable trouble otherwise with that sort of sentence construction. Using the unfair 'system' as an excuse for cheating is just a cop out, you twat.

I was looking the other day online for dissertation writing tips and the first thing that came up when I googled 'dissertation writing' was a site where you could buy one. I was genuinely shocked. And really fucked off people would do that.

 

[118118]

But you're not talking about that, you're talking about pretending to be better than you are.

notwithstanding that that is a pillock's thing to say, what do you mean: to you, to employers, to my friends

and i wasn't aware that opne's worth was solely measured by success at uni. did you do well at uni or something?

and equationgirl: i am beginning to doubt that youunderstand other people very well: I THOUGHT EVERYONE COULD READ MY MIND! How on eartham I supposed to understand the concept of plagerism? And who do you think i am arse fucking to get away with what i have done? ANd do you know what happens to most schizophrenics? Depression is like catching a cold, or so i was told in psyc.

 

[118118]

No offense, but you're a bunch of emotional cripples lol.

 

[118118]

what's wrong with my sentence construction? is it not grammatically correct?

 

[wrysmile]

How on eartham I supposed to understand the concept of plagerism?

Read the very long and detailed explanation that is mandatory in any course module handout or outline. It's fairly simple - don't borrow other people's work and then call it your own.

 

[118118]

i don't think your understanding the concept that i am putting across.

and justify me being a twat for thinking that some plagerism is not massively dishonourable.

 

[equationgirl]

So you thought people could read your mind? And plagarised an essay?

I'm not exactly sure how the two are related.

Your initial post read to me that you thought plagarism was one big joke, that it was no big deal and because life wasn't fair you should be able to do it.

Then when you were picked up on it, you start saying that you have health problems.

Health problems are no excuse for plagarism. either you want to be treated the same as everyone else or you want people to treat you extra-special because you have schizophrenia. You can't have it both ways.

And I wouldn't go around saying that depression is like catching a cold, there's a couple of very seriously depressed people on here at the moment who could do without you trying to play mental illness top trumps.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

You must be good at plagarising because you're bloody awful at thinking for yourself.

notwithstanding that that is a pillock's thing to say, what do you mean: to you, to employers, to my friends

A stupid question. Employers of course, they dont want you for your stunning good looks, they want you because of your ability to do the job, your grade is one indication of that ability. Friends of course not, why would they care what grade you're heading for.

and i wasn't aware that opne's worth was solely measured by success at uni. did you do well at uni or something?

You missed this:

... I flunked out of one degree because i was the thick one at the university. I wasn't top of the heap, didn't put in the work and i failed because of it. Harsh, but fair.

I'm now taking a similar degree somewhere else, one i'm doing far better in now i've gotten to grips with my learning difficulties and now i'm doing a course i enjoy. Thanks for asking

Soley: No, hell it's not really a major measure of worth as a person i'd be putting things like integrity above it myself.

 

[118118]

all i can say is that i honsetyly didn't understand the concept of plagerism. lets say i was 80% sure that i hadn't plagerized, and 50% sure that if i did then i would get caught, with 2 days to go and in amess thinking that everyone on earth was persecuting me by not telling me that other people could read my mind, i played the odds. fair enough if you ask me. tbh i didn't even have to say this to my tutors, they all went into a panic and covered it up mighty quick

 

[118118]

equation girl. imagine that everyone's thinking is just one giant vat, and everyone's thoughts are freely available to access at any time. notwithstanding the question of how one is supposed to create one's own work if this is the case, why can't my tutors just read my mind rather than my work? lol, i spent all year chatting away to dead famous philosophers about stuff. made me the man i am today

 

[118118]

i'm peased for you bob <3 but, i do still think that plagerism is ok, unless like your mates plagerizing and not told you that he is. you should be allowed to make your own choice as to whether you want to run the risks.

 

[118118]

ffs, you are the one playing top trumps dear. evidence "don't go around playing top trumps". i am perfectly within my civilian rights, ney it is almost my, stutter, duty, to say that schizophrenia is a v shitty "disease". who knows, perhaps it will help them, its helped me thru some crushing sadness. fwiw equationgirl, i don't wear any diagnoses i have as a badge of pride (just my personality). that would be WRONG now wouldn't it!

 

[118118]

crap stupid site does everyone's computer stutter at the same time?

 

[118118]

what happened to the hords of detractors

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Can't be arsed.

Your degree grade is worthless, no matter what you get you haven't earnt it. More significantly you won't have learnt all that your course is supposed to teach and as such should not seek a career in the subject where your degree is a requisit. Sitting in lectures is not taking a degree.

 

[118118]

eh? did you listen to my story? it was one essay of one module in the second year, and i had to resit it. ffs, you think that the fact that I have "cheated" means that i did not learn anything from the rest of uni?

and ffs, to me you just sound very very, erm, respectful of power/authority/yoiur social betters/order/etc..

 

[118118]

opinions are great aren't they! one can just have an opinion, and not listen to anything that contradicts it. wow.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

eh? did you listen to my story? it was one essay of one module in the second year, and i had to resit it. ffs, you think that the fact that I have "cheated" means that i did not learn anything from the rest of uni?

and ffs, to me you just sound very very, erm, respectful of power/authority/yoiur social betters/order/etc..

Yes i did:

and i cheated in all throughout my degree

Make your bloody mind up.

 

[118118]

i was trying to provoke the crowd of power carzed success stories, in order to exploit their week points, the "labile" points of the structure of their beliefs.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

i was trying to provoke the crowd of power carzed success stories, in order to exploit their week points, the "labile" points of the structure of their beliefs.

Yeah, right, you were talking out your arse again.

*awaits next 118118 post contradicting everything*

 

[118118]

i made one contradictory (the single untrue) post to see what would happen. shrug.

 

[118118]

i stand by that plagerism isn't immoral in an immoral system. i suppose one couyld say "yeah but murder is wrong, even though a criminal justice system may be corrupt". but the difference is that plagerism is only wrong because the system is immoral. in a better society, no-one would mind if someone plagerized, cos it would make no difference to income status etc.. i've probably got more arguments, i just can't be bothered to work them out at the mo.

sure plagerism is wrong if because of it someone becomes an under qualified doctor and starts killing patients. but to extend that beyond such instances is just lazy inductive moralist argument.

i think i get it: you think that it is morally wrong for someone not to get the wage/status/academic success that chimes with their intelligence and work rate. i don't think this, as that kind of inequality is valueless and nasty.

like i say, we're from different planets bob :-/

 

[Bob_the_lost]

sure plagerism is wrong if because of it someone becomes an under qualified doctor and starts killing patients. but to extend that beyond such instances is just lazy inductive moralist argument.

How about the incompetent programer who makes a mistake implementing the B method they're supposed to be able to use who results in a train crash? Or the more mundane, the one who copies their computer security work and then builds a site so that it get hacked and credit card detials are released.

How about the sloppy engineer who doesn't check his numbers properly because he hasn't taken the time to learn how to do design work, resulting in a bridge collapsing. Or the more mundane, an extension that needs to be pulled down again and rebuilt at thousands of pounds cost.

If you give responsability to people who should not have it then things will go wrong. One of the ways you prove that you can handle it is coursework, one of the ways you develop the ability is coursework. To pretend it only applies in the case of doctors and nurses is really bloody stupid. How about a lazy mental health worker who gets a job because of a degree they didn't earn? Or a teacher?

Academic success that chimes with their intelligence and work rate. i don't think this, as that kind of inequality is valueless and nasty.

Damn right i do.

I will never become an olympic grade rower, i'm too short. No matter how fit i get i will never be able to compete with people a foot taller than me. If i were to be entered into an olympic training squad i'd only hold others back and i'd still never make it to the standard needed. I have to learn to live with being second rate physically, this is part of life. If my coach ignored my height issues i'd still be in the top boat, i'm faster and fitter than the bloke who rows there now, but his height means that the balance is better. My inability to improve in that sense was clear and i was moved to the second crew where my height was less of a factor, as as result the top boat is faster and i'm in a place where i can perform better too. Recognising limitations and working within them is an essential part of life.

If you're not first rate intellecutually then pretending you are is only going to hold others back and put you in a situation where you're out of your depth.

 

[118118]

i'm not really "stupid" bob. i was an over achiever at school, perhaps such as that my success did not reflect my innate intelligence, but shrug.

as to the rest of it, i suggest we stop this argument now. cos i couldn't live with myself if i started to think like you. not only the fact that i would look down at some, but that others could legitimately look down at me.
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but i'll finish on this point. are you saying that the sole point of not plagerizing is that you don't end up in a job which you excel at doing badly in? fair enough, but like i say, that isn't an issue in all cases of plagerism.

ps: CUNT.

 

[118118]

i mean, i'm happy to get my sense of self worth from my ability to amuse myself. rather than that i am more of a man/intellectual/artist/dancer/rower than someone else. unfriendly competition with one's enemies makes me insecure. and it can't be very good for the soul either.