Bush's body language on 9/11

[Thumper Browne]

That person by all accounts was Dick Cheney who on the very morning the so called hijackings happened just happened himself to be playing commander in chief of the armed forces from a bunker beneath a mountain during multiple air defense exercises.

Perhaps Bush had been led up the garden path to believe that certain procedural formalities hooked into these scheduled military exercises had to pass up the chain of command and that the message "America is under attack" passed on by Card was simply part of the scenario. In other words, he had no need to become animated, because he didn't think a real attack was happening. Only it was.

Have you got a link for this? I'd really like to find out more about what Cheney was doing that day.

 

[Jo/Joe]

His body language indicates something. We can't prove anything conclusively here about anything, but we can make intelligent speculation. Or be puerile.

 

[editor]

His body language indicates something. We can't prove anything conclusively here about anything, but we can make intelligent speculation. Or be puerile.

What comparative studies have you made of Bush's body language?

Without anything to compare it against, it seems a meaningless exercise trying to read anything into his body language.

Well, it strikes me as a meaningless exercise anyway, because people act unpredictably when confronted with immense events.

 

[fela fan]

What comparative studies have you made of Bush's body language?

Without anything to compare it against, it seems a meaningless exercise trying to read anything into his body language.

Well, it strikes me as a meaningless exercise anyway, because people act unpredictably when confronted with immense events.

An outbreak of agreement going on here...

I must add, with Bush, body language perhaps means sweet fuck all. The man really is stupid, save for being able to con even stupider people.

But i really did think that america had procedures for its presidents in times of national crisis or threat. One of the (many) things that have led me to conclude not all is as the USG claim it was on 911 is the fact that bush was allowed to continue to be in a publicly known place while his country was now obviously under attack.

Okay, maybe the man himself chose to stay where he is, but the office he held required others to whisk him right away from danger.

But no-one did.

 

[pk]

He wasn't in any danger though, sitting in a classroom with the world's press watching him.

His eyes looked alarmed and genuinely shocked.

The fact that he sat on his Texan arse betrays the signs of an incompetant fool, but then a president who loses 600 billion dollars in four years can hardly be described as anything else.

Fuck Bush.

Even if there was a conspiracy - do you think those involved would really tell George W Bush about it?

The man's stupid, it's why he's president of the neocon Rebublicans.

Cheney and Rumsfeld do all the work, so he can read about little goats in a primary school somewhere.

It's far more within his level of intelligence.

 

[bigfish]

Have you got a link for this? I'd really like to find out more about what Cheney was doing that day.

Sure TB. Here's a commentary from the Washington Post

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 18, 2004; Page A01

At 10:39 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Vice President Cheney, in a bunker beneath the White House, told Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in a videoconference that he had been informed earlier that morning that hijacked planes were approaching Washington.

"Pursuant to the president's instructions, I gave authorization for them to be taken out," Cheney told Rumsfeld, who was at the Pentagon. Informing Rumsfeld that the fighter pilots had received orders to fire, Cheney added, "It's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out."

Cheney's comments, which were soon proved erroneous, were detailed in a report issued yesterday by the commission...

See also this piece from cooperative research

 

[bigfish]

Tripod Ii And Fema

Multiple air defense exercises and the Lack of NORAD Response on 9/11 Explained

The wargames will tie Bush and/or Cheney and Rumsfeld directly into a complete paralysis of fighter response on 9/11. I have gone directly to many NORAD, DoD, NRO, and other sources and questioned them. I have knocked on many doors and I have even obtained some documents. I have obtained an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD, which confirmed that on the day of 9/11 The Joint Chiefs (Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner. That is just the tip of what I have uncovered.

There never was a stand down order issued. That would have been way too incriminating and risky a piece of evidence. And it also might have been ignored by eager fighter pilots who had trained their whole lives to respond to a hostile aircraft killing Americans. There are several statements that the "new" NORAD procedures transferring scramble authority to Rumsfeld on June 1, 2001 were ignored by several NORAD commanders on 9/11 including General Larry Arnold. That's exactly what I would have expected.

 

[kyser_soze]

Before getting dragged into another pointless debate, IIRC Shrub was whisked off in Airforce 1, allegedly against his wishes, in the complete opposite direction to NYC since this is their role. It could have been established that there was not an immediate personal threat to Shrub while he was in the school.

What if wanted to give an appearance of normality? What if he was thinking 'Ah fuck it, yet another drill from the secret service and Dick Cheney wanting to fuck with me and ruining my chance to read a good book'

FFS - DrJ/Bigfish,C66...along with being experts in explosive demolition, avionics, presidential security protocol you are now claiming to be experts in human body language...gosh I wish I could be experts in so many different and masively diverse areas!!

And incidentally - reading someone's body language frame by frame is pointless since you can't pick out subtle changes when they're made in relation to changes in stance, posture and facial tics. You need to see it moving, repeatedly and even then it's still pretty subjective since there are a huge number of similar actions meaning different things. You're also unlikely to be able to pick up single muscles twitching on footage that crap and grainy cos it doesn't have the resolution to capture it.

And that's me speaking as someone who, while not an expert on body language, has studied it for about 4 years both formally on training course for business negotations, and from books.

 

[editor]

And that's me speaking as someone who, while not an expert on body language, has studied it for about 4 years both formally on training course for business negotations, and from books.

Pah! That's nothing! If it's on some internet site somewhere written by some 'who the fuck are you' writer, then it must be really accurate and yet more conclusive proof that Bush is guilty!

Or something like that.

Still, I'm sure bigfish will be along shortly with some more of his fascinating links to book/video flogging sites.

 

[Jazzz]

FFS - DrJ/Bigfish,C66...along with being experts in explosive demolition, avionics, presidential security protocol you are now claiming to be experts in human body language...gosh I wish I could be experts in so many different and masively diverse areas!!

what the fuck????

I posted that I didn't care about whatever Bush's body language was, it's not something I am concerned about. All I am concerned about is that he stayed with the kids rather than manning the helm.

I really can't stand it when people take 'straw man' snipes like this which are totally misrepresentative.

here's what I said;

"I don't care about his body language, though if I was to give my impression, I would say he was a rabbit in the headlights."

I have made no argument based on this perception of Bush's body language.

 

[bigfish]

And incidentally - reading someone's body language frame by frame is pointless since you can't pick out subtle changes when they're made in relation to changes in stance, posture and facial tics. You need to see it moving, repeatedly and even then it's still pretty subjective since there are a huge number of similar actions meaning different things. You're also unlikely to be able to pick up single muscles twitching on footage that crap and grainy cos it doesn't have the resolution to capture it.

Precisely Ky, thanks for rephrasing my earlier post, in which I made it quite clear that little more than a subjective impression can be drawn from the images provided.

So why the tirade?

Incidentally Ky, I'm not making any claims to expertise, I leave that kind of thing to the experts. I merely cite them wherever necessary. On the other hand, I do not defer reverncially to their opinion in all cases, but rather to logic. Experience shows that "experts" are often spectacularly wrong, their errors sometimes lead to the most outrageous miscarriages of justice.

 

[editor]

On the other hand, I do not defer reverncially to their opinion in all cases, but rather to logic. Experience shows that "experts" are often spectacularly wrong, their errors sometimes lead to the most outrageous miscarriages of justice.

So what's your 'logic' on why the USG would risk everything by employing a team of Mike Yarwoods to impersonate phone calls from the 9/11 passengers or run the immense risk of forcing asking passengers to take part in DrJ's truly bizarre, 'Operation Pretend You're About to Be Killed By Non Existent Terrorists'?

Until you can come up with a credible explanation for these calls and explain why none of the recipients have ever doubted their authenticity, all your fanciful 9/11 theories remain nothing but sheer fantasy.

The callers clearly told their loved ones that they'd been hijacked.
Were they lying?

 

[Jo/Joe]

body language is body language. it's universal.

 

[Jazzz]

We've been going over that on the other thread editor.

 

[bigfish]

I'm sure bigfish will be along shortly with some more of his fascinating links to book/video flogging sites.

Try this link to INN

If you can be bothered to read it, you'll see that reports of the September 11 war games, code named VIGILANT GUARDIAN, were carried by several mainstream publications including the Associated Press, UPI, and Aviation Weekly Magazine.

On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

On March 25, when Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld testified before the Commission, not one question was asked with regard to the multiple wargames confirmed to have been in progress that morning.
Why?

It is possible that Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, has classified certain wargames running on 9/11 so the Commission can’t address them publicly. The fact that the war games are open source, having been reported in mainstream publications including the Associated Press, UPI, and Aviation Weekly Magazine would make such a classification part & parcel to a cover-up. Hopefully the Commission will address, in public hearing, the impact these wargames apparently had on the NORAD response on 9/11.

UQ Wire: Sen. Dayton's “NORAD Lied” Transcript

 

[editor]

Try this link to INN

Oh yes...

I have an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD that on the day of 9/11...

'Someone from NORAD'.

Right.