Bush speech: McCain suspends electoral campaign
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FridgeMagnet
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Actually I think Bush's speech will emphasize the opposite. It will be "move along, nothing to see here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, just make sure you allow us to do whatever we want and everything will be just fine...."
Lord Camomile
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Oh goodIt's very simple really.
We're Fucked!
david dissadent
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If this does not work for McCain his campaing is utterly toast.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=etaS4ZUs1OY
'Mastercard, the official card of the second great depression'
'Mastercard, the official card of the second great depression'
'Course, if the economic position is as bad as I think it is, "Fuck it, we'll sit this out and get a Republican elected in 2016" is a sane response.
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Lol.
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Yes, it does.
elbows
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The whole thing could just be about all the politicians wanting to demonstrate to the electorate that they really are giving the bailout deal a hard time, rather than just rubber-stamping it straight away and bailing out bankers without at least doing some hang-wringing first.
Unlike the war on terror, it will be much harder to tell if Bush is exagurating the threat, as economic collapse is a real possibility, especially if they do nothing. Whatever happens I presume the existing system will be changed quite a lot, its just they obviously favour a controlled demolition, do some drastic things now to stabalise and prop things up, and then reform as little as possible, at their leisure.
I suppose I will be a little surprised if congress dont sign a deal in the end, 'just in time', but maybe its getting too close for comfort and so Bush feels the need to accelerate the process - they must be somewhat desperate to have him make a speech, which could so easily backfire.
Meanwhile the stuff from McCain does seem like a desperate tactic as he hasnt been doing well since the latest economic storm hit.
I dont think its too likely we will be hearing about states of emergency, GOP powergrabs or suchlike tonight, I suppose its not 100% impossible but I'll bet against it for now anyways.
Unlike the war on terror, it will be much harder to tell if Bush is exagurating the threat, as economic collapse is a real possibility, especially if they do nothing. Whatever happens I presume the existing system will be changed quite a lot, its just they obviously favour a controlled demolition, do some drastic things now to stabalise and prop things up, and then reform as little as possible, at their leisure.
I suppose I will be a little surprised if congress dont sign a deal in the end, 'just in time', but maybe its getting too close for comfort and so Bush feels the need to accelerate the process - they must be somewhat desperate to have him make a speech, which could so easily backfire.
Meanwhile the stuff from McCain does seem like a desperate tactic as he hasnt been doing well since the latest economic storm hit.
I dont think its too likely we will be hearing about states of emergency, GOP powergrabs or suchlike tonight, I suppose its not 100% impossible but I'll bet against it for now anyways.
Depends what they know that we don't.
Dillinger4
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I think I will be staying up to watch this. I am curious.
Dillinger4
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GWB addressing the nation.
elbows
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Yeah but martial law & friends are used when the masses are getting extremely agitated, or when a significant minority are getting violent. You dont use such blunt instruments before the unrest has occured or you'll be universally condemned as destroying democracy for no good reason. So I dont think there is anything that they might know that I dont, that would cause such things to happen right now.
I know there are some people who have been saying for several years that the coming election would be suspended, and cannot believe the Republicans might let go of the reigns of power, but I think this massively underestimates the importance of 'democracy' in the American belief system. As powerful as individual leaders and parties may get, I dont think they are more important to the status quo than the powerful illusions of credibility that the system requires to survive.
I dont think the suspension of democracy would do the markets any good right now either, hell Bush announcing an attack on Iran would be more likely than Martial law. And mass unrest due to total economic woetime is likely to take a lot longer to happen, if it is ever to happen as part of this crisis, long after the election.
Dillinger4
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I am curious as to what is *so* important that he needs to appeal directly to the American public.
pk
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Certainly does.
Wouldn't do to have Herr McCain lording it up whilst Der Bushmeister is playing it down.
Obama must be loving this.
Oh, (might be being a bit of a thicko here but...) when's that on then?
Dillinger4
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9pm in the US, 1am here (I am assuming the news channels will be showing it)
If not, I'd be surprised if 5Live don't put it on.
Lord Camomile
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Consensus earlier was 2am (BBC said 1am GMT, so that's currently 2am, right
).
Dillinger4
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Consensus earlier was 2am (BBC said 1am GMT, so that's currently 2am, right
Everywhere I have looked has said 1.01am.
I don't mind. I will probably be up until 2am anyway.
Lord Camomile
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Yeah, I think that's 1.01am GMT, and we're currently BST so we're an hour ahead of GMT.
I think.
I think.
Lord Camomile
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If McCain does refuse outright to attend the debate, what are Obama's options? Should he turn up anyway? Should he go do something else?
One thought I had was that he could stay with the 'debate'idea and take an extended Q&A session with those in attendance, though this would probably be too dangerous and unmanageable.
And to be fair to McCain, I suppose it does make sense that, as Obama himself says, the two guys who are going to be dealing with this mess should discuss what is going on right now.
BBC24 just said the debate is going ahead.
One thought I had was that he could stay with the 'debate'idea and take an extended Q&A session with those in attendance, though this would probably be too dangerous and unmanageable.
And to be fair to McCain, I suppose it does make sense that, as Obama himself says, the two guys who are going to be dealing with this mess should discuss what is going on right now.
BBC24 just said the debate is going ahead.
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Lord Camomile
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So here we go.
And to think, we were worried about the LHC destroying the world...
And to think, we were worried about the LHC destroying the world...
ahh dubya speaks as i write this....
what a dickhead
what a dickhead
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