Bush sides with Mexicans.
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I'm afraid you are right. The flood has been encouraged for so log by business wanting to import 3rd world labor & liberals sucking up for low income votes, being overrun may be unstopable. But long high hevily guarded fences are needed (redeploy US Iraq troops to the Rio Grande) as well as crackdowns on illegal alian employers & greatly excellerated deportations especially from prisons. Looks like they are going to get an amnesty bill, rewarding criminality & mocking legal immigration.Johnny Canuck2 said:
Waving Mexican flags & signs saying "we're here & we're staying" will cause a good deal of outrage among the majority I hope & create a backlash that will allow the US to secure it's borders & prevent a draging down of much of the legal workforce to 3rd world levels. But a real crackdown may be politically imposible at this late date. But the fight must be fought.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rogue yam said:
Nothing like knowlegeable ignorance - eh? What know thee of ye world outside thy borders? Nary a jot, I'd wager.
Can't turn back the clock to 1848 & give some "right of return" to Mexicans that is overwhelming the US social services & prison systems & dragging down wages & working conditions. The borders are the way they are no matter which group of European settelers was here first. Racism has nothing to do with it. It's about controlling borders.chilango said:
Most hispanics oppose illegal immigration, they don`t want to see concessions.
Study: Most Latinos oppose driver's licenses for illegal immigrants
Its true that hispanic indians once owned swathes of southern USA but such situations are not about white Vs hispanic, its a result of the interests of those in power.
The border situation exists to bring in cheap labour for max profit. This creates a backlash against immigrants rather than those who fail to police the border, thanks to the media. Meanwhile on the other side of the border the elite are funding groups like the Aztlan movement which openly want to bring down the USA in some kind of ethnic war.
Ethnic clashes are being sown globally. Of course the more chaos there is the more excuses our rulers have to impose some more laws "to protect you all"...
"We need battalions of riot police to quell the aztlan rebellion you idiot!"
Have any of you listened to the demonstrations or spanish TV in the
southern states?
Aztlan Arising
Study: Most Latinos oppose driver's licenses for illegal immigrants
Its true that hispanic indians once owned swathes of southern USA but such situations are not about white Vs hispanic, its a result of the interests of those in power.
The border situation exists to bring in cheap labour for max profit. This creates a backlash against immigrants rather than those who fail to police the border, thanks to the media. Meanwhile on the other side of the border the elite are funding groups like the Aztlan movement which openly want to bring down the USA in some kind of ethnic war.
Ethnic clashes are being sown globally. Of course the more chaos there is the more excuses our rulers have to impose some more laws "to protect you all"...
"We need battalions of riot police to quell the aztlan rebellion you idiot!"
Have any of you listened to the demonstrations or spanish TV in the
southern states?
Aztlan Arising
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
rogue yam said:
Fair cop. Maybe the whole world was an exageration. Based on personal experience of witnessing widespread antiamerican sentiment in the following countries I´ll amend it to just:
Canada
Mexico
Guatemala
Cuba
Panama
Bolivia
Uruguay
Argentina
California
Egypt
Sudan
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
China
Mongolia
Russia
Czech Republic
Romania
Italy
Germany
France
Netherlands
Seattle
Switzerland
Portugal
Spain
Wales
England
Scotland
Ireland
Plus my friends from the following counties report the same sentiments:
Chile
Colombia
Brasil
Venezuela
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Norway
Sweden
Iceland
Denmark
India
Pakistan
Jamaica
Serbia
Poland
Of course I personally can´t vouch for Iraq, Somalia or Afghanistan, so we´ll count those in your favour if you like.
Of course the USA is hated...have you ever left the US?
You are being a childish idiot in an utterly stereotypical, and thus profoundly boring way. If you must say infantile, meaningless things, at least try to make up something new rather than repeating the same worthless crap that everyone on this board has heard time and time again.chilango said:
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
rogue yam said:
Childish? How so?
Idiot? I doubt it.
Stereotypical? If you mean conforming to an antamerican stereotype. then yes, cos it is pretty damn common.
I happen to think the USA is a beautiful country being brought to its knees by some of the most ignorant people I have ever heard.
The lack of knowledge of history, geography etc even of your own damn country displayed by some of you is truly pathetic. Your stupidity creates the stereotype.
There is little point in debating these issues with some of you as you lack the requisite understanding of backgound or context.
Your response when criticised is one of the following:
rote repetition of badly digested and banal slogans
or
pointblank refusal to acknowleedge any moot point that doesn´t fit your viewpoint.
For example you will not accept that the Hispanic population have ties to the land in the South west USA that goes back 1000s of years. Because to accept this, means the outing of the simple racism behind your views, you hide behind an ahistorical and useless in this debate "border defense" stance that fails utterly to comprehend the geographical, historical, linguistic, anthropological, cultural, political, economic or archaeological realities of the region.
So I see no debate to be had.
Why waste my time?
Much more fun to wind the yanqui in this case.
Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
Yeah - but have you ever left the US?rogue yam said:
Johnny Canuck3
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chilango said:
So what; native americans were there before them; and if anyone treated the native americans worse than the british or americans, it was the spanish.
Johnny Canuck3
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Interesting that the new prez of Bolivia is one of the few, if not the first, native indian leader of a Central/South American hispanic country.
Skin colour matters there too.
Vincente Fox ain't no indian.
Skin colour matters there too.
Vincente Fox ain't no indian.
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Very true.
It aint Spaniards we are talking about.
As i pointed out elsewhere the small % of the Mexican population that is "Spanish" are pretty damn wealthy, have no need to go the US or already have holiday homes there.
Either way, they are not the Hispanics we are talking about, the hispanics will be either Mestizos or indios.
i.e. NATIVE AMERICANS
Who were here before the border.
So, it is a little unreasonable to use this artifical and very modern line as the crux of an argument, no?
I know indigenous people can cross the US / Canadian border without passports or anything.
Why not down south?
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
Johnny Canuck2 said:Interesting that the new prez of Bolivia is one of the few, if not the first, native indian leader of a Central/South American hispanic country.
Skin colour matters there too.
Vincente Fox ain't no indian.
Good point.
Fox won´t be stopped by the minutemmen either!
Mexico has had an indian president.
spring-peeper
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chilango said:
The US/Canadian border is open to all citizens of the two countries, but that will be changing soon. It's an agreement between the two countries. This cross border activities do not allow working in the other country, just visiting.
US/Canadian relations are different to US/Mexico.
Johnny Canuck3
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chilango said:
Not just indigenous people: neither canadians nor americans need passports to cross the Canada/US border.
krtek a houby
Saoirse don Phalaistín!
Ah, Fortress America.
Personally, I think the concept of the USA has gone down the drain.
It is divided on so many levels, politically, culturally and it's good standing in the eyes of the rest of the world, right now... well.
There's so much good stuff to have come out of the country but currently it seems like a failed experiment.
I hope one day I'm proved wrong.
Personally, I think the concept of the USA has gone down the drain.
It is divided on so many levels, politically, culturally and it's good standing in the eyes of the rest of the world, right now... well.
There's so much good stuff to have come out of the country but currently it seems like a failed experiment.
I hope one day I'm proved wrong.
Johnny Canuck3
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jer said:
See: there's the diff.
That phrase gives me a warm feeling inside.
krtek a houby
Saoirse don Phalaistín!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Being isolated from the rest of the world?
Being at odds with global opinion?
Johnny Canuck3
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jer said:
No, neither of those things.
Johnny Canuck3
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More like, safe warm place that spans a whole continent.
spring-peeper
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chilango said:
Canada, North America and Mexico.
Johnny Canuck3
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chilango said:
You and I both know the anwer to that question, and it's the answer that you don't like.
Not saying that's how it should be, but that's how it is.
Me, I'd like to see the standard of living and the economy of Mexico improve to the point where a true Pan American Union [at least the north part] was possible.
Then we'd really kick some ass....
spring-peeper
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The border NEEDS to be enforced because mass illegal immigration is bad for the rest of the country.
Its not right-wing or whatnot to suggest that, its common bloody sense.
The American people are the ones who suffer from the influx of cheap labour. Its not their rulers. They profit.
Mexico is an enslaved country. Their rulers aren`t even mexican. Theres German names all over the shop as well as Asian as mentioned earlier.
Their poverty is a result of the policy of the moneymen.
Again that is not the fault of the American people.
The American people are instead swayed into a disdain for the immigrants rather than the people who are actually responsible for the border policing.
Its just distortion all over the shop!
US citizens have every right to worry about the border.
I can`t believe no one has responded to my point about the Aztlan Movement. The owners of US spanish media (3 companies) are stirring up a movement against the US. They`re openly calling for "reconqista"....WTF?
And no one said a thing. They had a 900,000 person march, in support of the Aztlan Movement. This is a movement which calls for the reconquering of old spanish land and the dislocation of White and Black populations.
They had a few US flags at the front of the march and then it was just mexican flags along with a few other latin american states. The point is that the media ONLY showed them with the US flags, they`re really not talking about this at all.
Whether its because they feel threatened or because they want to ferment the threat in order to use it to implement policy i`m not sure.
Either way, you know something dodgy is afoot when people who try and help police the border are demonised as vigilantes whilst the border patrol is cut...and cut....and cut....
Who stands to gain from mass influxes of cheap labour and rising ethnic tensions? Who stands to gain from chaos?
Its not right-wing or whatnot to suggest that, its common bloody sense.
The American people are the ones who suffer from the influx of cheap labour. Its not their rulers. They profit.
Mexico is an enslaved country. Their rulers aren`t even mexican. Theres German names all over the shop as well as Asian as mentioned earlier.
Their poverty is a result of the policy of the moneymen.
Again that is not the fault of the American people.
The American people are instead swayed into a disdain for the immigrants rather than the people who are actually responsible for the border policing.
Its just distortion all over the shop!
US citizens have every right to worry about the border.
I can`t believe no one has responded to my point about the Aztlan Movement. The owners of US spanish media (3 companies) are stirring up a movement against the US. They`re openly calling for "reconqista"....WTF?
And no one said a thing. They had a 900,000 person march, in support of the Aztlan Movement. This is a movement which calls for the reconquering of old spanish land and the dislocation of White and Black populations.
They had a few US flags at the front of the march and then it was just mexican flags along with a few other latin american states. The point is that the media ONLY showed them with the US flags, they`re really not talking about this at all.
Whether its because they feel threatened or because they want to ferment the threat in order to use it to implement policy i`m not sure.
Either way, you know something dodgy is afoot when people who try and help police the border are demonised as vigilantes whilst the border patrol is cut...and cut....and cut....
Who stands to gain from mass influxes of cheap labour and rising ethnic tensions? Who stands to gain from chaos?
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