Bush protest banned by Fuzz

[CyberRose]

You go out and try and organise yourself a national demo of 50,000 people in defence of pensions. I'd genuinely like to see you try.

If I actually wanted to affect policy (as opposed to merely feeling like I was doing "something/anything") then organising a demo is the last thing I'd do!

My point isn't really about the popularity of certain issues, but rather the importance of them to the people Respect etc claim to represent (altho I do still think more people care about social policies than they do about the Iraq war)

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Iraq war is a more important issue than British social policies for the working class of the UK?

 

[Das Uberdog]

Most of the working class of the UK don't care a rat's arse about either, tbh.

 

[TremulousTetra]

If I actually wanted to affect policy (as opposed to merely feeling like I was doing "something/anything") then organising a demo is the last thing I'd do!

My point isn't really about the popularity of certain issues, but rather the importance of them to the people Respect etc claim to represent (altho I do still think more people care about social policies than they do about the Iraq war)

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Iraq war is a more important issue than British social policies for the working class of the UK?

most people I meet these days only want to repeat completely fabricated stories about immigrants! (exaggeration obviously,but it makes my point.)

 

[audiotech]

That's not very good example now is it? Just so happens that the leader of the pensioners' lobby happens to be left wing!

People view the various left groups as single issue groups who care more about what's happening to people in other countries than they care about what happens to people in this country. George Galloway is the de facto leader of these groups and all he cares about is kissing the arse of Islamic fundamentalists so he can win a seat in the house of commons! Hardly the best advertisement for socialism is it?!

It is a very good example of how somebody from the left is prepared to put their principles where their mouth. He's an old bugger too.

The important point is, why aren't more pensioners themselves standing up for their pension rights? Why aren't thousands of the disabled marching and organising for themselves? Why aren't the the working class working for change for themselves? Why all this clamour for some small lefty group, or other (mostly run ragged in many campaigns as it is) to do it for them?

 

[TremulousTetra]

It is a very good example of how somebody from the left is prepared to put their principles where their mouth. He's an old bugger too.

The important point is, why aren't more pensioners themselves standing up for their pension rights? Why aren't thousands of the disabled marching and organising for themselves? Why aren't the the working class working for change for themselves? Why all this clamour for some small lefty group, or other (mostly run ragged in many campaigns as it is) to do it for them?

No Fucker will answer that , I guarantee. This catholic guilt complex, masquerading as politics on urban 75 completely does my head in.

 

[smokedout]

though id post this, was partly inspired by this thread

be nice, might need a bit of editing which ill do tomorrow when ive not had wine

Who are the SWP?

 

[TremulousTetra]

though id post this, was partly inspired by this thread

be nice, might need a bit of editing which ill do tomorrow when ive not had wine

Who are the SWP?

Oh please don't edit it, that is a classic ultra left humour!

 

[audiotech]

though id post this, was partly inspired by this thread

be nice, might need a bit of editing which ill do tomorrow when ive not had wine

All those words, all that effort and still my eyes glazed over.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Oh, oh, U 4got to call SW Nazis.

 

[TremulousTetra]

All those words, all that effort and still my eyes glazed over.

oh come on, this is one of Napoleon's comrades. Now just wait for the deafening silence from the anarchist bigwigs!

 

[mk12]

Oh, oh, U 4got to call SW Nazis.

Has anyone ever done that?

 

[treelover]

Smoked out, it would be good if you posted up your article on A4E and their takeover of Hull CAB, its pretty shocking

 

[smokedout]

Has anyone ever done that?

i was gonna call them a natrional socialist party as it goes but i couldnt quite work it in

 

[smokedout]

Smoked out, it would be good if you posted up your article on A4E and their takeover of Hull CAB, its pretty shocking

'k

Poverty Pimps March On - A4E Close Local Law Centre

 

[TremulousTetra]

Has anyone ever done that?

why do you IWC lot always ask questions, but never give answers? you are like a fucking cult!

So come on bigwig, what do you think of your comrades comments?


(Wait for it, wait for it, "he's no comment of mine, I am an island".)

 

[TremulousTetra]

i was gonna call them a natrional socialist party as it goes but i couldnt quite work it in

you couldn't make it up!

 

[mk12]

i do hope smokedout is joking.

 

[TremulousTetra]

i do hope smokedout is joking.

you have been on here since 2004, and this is the first time you have seen this kind of shit, joking or not? and you wonder why people like I get cynical?

S no answer to the question then? typical.

 

[mk12]

Only absolute fruitloops would say the swp are nazis. I don't recall seeing this shit on here before. Most criticisms of the swp are valid. This one is not.

 

[smokedout]

Only absolute fruitloops would say the swp are nazis. I don't recall seeing this shit on here before. Most criticisms of the swp are valid. This one is not.

you might have noticed that it was satirical

 

[mk12]

phew!

 

[smokedout]

although technically you are a national organisation, you claim to be socialists and you are a political party

so you are in fact a national socialist party

 

[Taxamo Welf]

smokedout is just being a pillock chaps.

amusing to here resistancemp3 has 'got cynical' however

 

[TremulousTetra]

phew!

phew indeed, but you are quite prepared to accept his conspiracy theory!

 

[TremulousTetra]

you're a lying cunt smokedout. Prhaps your still playing your game with MCHammer. Who cares, you're an irrelevance, enjoy your death.

i've put his comment here, because surely if he isn't a hypocrite he would have made these comments himself.

 

[biff curtains]

you might have noticed that it was satirical

Shame it wasn't funny though you tedious egomaniacal twat.

 

[belboid]

i've put his comment here, because surely if he isn't a hypocrite he would have made these comments himself.

I hope you aren't going top start following me around, it'll be very boring indeed for everyone.

As I said before, I would assume you are capable of defending yourself, but it appears you are not. Quite pathetic.

 

[winjer]

Shame it wasn't funny though you tedious egomaniacal twat.

Seems to have touched a nerve with some then

 

[TremulousTetra]

Anyway, I'm sorry for completely derailing this thread. It was just a rant I wanted to get off my chest. It's just this country is headed for serious economic problems and it's the working classes that will feel it most. It just gets to me when these groups seems more concerned about the Iraq war than they do about the coming economic crisis...

its a badly informed opinion though isn't it?

Industrial.
There is some exciting stuff going on at the moment industrially. One of the main news items is the probable strike over pay by Shell tanker drivers starting Friday morning. If this happens, we need to get to the picket lines with the SW leaflet that went out earlier today
Also12,000 maintenance workers on Network Rail have a 2 day strike planned over conditions and job cuts, starting 12.00 on Saturday. And there is also the possibility of nearly a million Unison members striking over the pay freeze. We can has strikes… As well, this week the GMB has decided to cut funding to Labour and the CWU is going to ballot its members over Labour party funding!

The industrial leaflet this week isn’t just about the Shell strike; it is relevant to almost any workplace. Issues like inflation and pay are increasingly in the headlines and in people’s heads, so we really need to make sure that we don’t let workplace sales slip. Every branch should be doing at least one workplace sale a week. They don’t have to be very long sales, and can be done with only a couple of comrades (students have finished their exams now so they may be able to help) - so if your branch isn’t doing one please raise it in your next branch meeting. Also this week, please take UAF demo flyers to any workplace sales.

Organising for Fighting Unions Manchester

Economics of the Pay Freeze Workshop

The economy, the pay freeze and the fight back in the public sector

Speaker: Graham Turner, GFC Economics
author of 'The Credit Crunch', Pluto, June 2008

Sat 14th June, 11am - 1pm (Doors open from 10.30am)
The Cross St Chapel, Cross St, Central Manchester
(£2.00 entry to cover costs)

Please follow the link below to download publicity

http://www.ianallinson.co.uk/OFFUM_workshop_14June2008small.pdf

 

[biff curtains]

Seems to have touched a nerve with some then

Yes, that's right - because I'm an SWP supporter! My God! You're so intuitive!



For what it's worth I can't stand the SWP and was a member for about six months, eight years ago.

But seriously know one can actually think that drivel on Smokedout's shite blog is anything other than tiresome at best.