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Bush - "Can I go to the toilet please Condi?"

mears is a strange fella. Here we are having a perfectly sensible discussion of GW's potty training and he's still obsessed with two year old counterfactuals.

mears, all that stuff's academic now. Bush lied, he invaded, he made a complete mess of Iraq. Welcome to the Islamic Republic (s) perhaps after a horrific and regionally destabilising civil war.

The complete mess he made out of your nation's disaster recovery capability, by rejecting the social functions of the state in favour or privatisation and repression, has just become all too apparent to everybody.

Now we find that he needs Condi to wipe his arse because he made a nasty mess down there too.
 
Looks like Mears has had some problem downloading the latest political line from Bushbot Central. He's still using the same old tired Iraq v1.1 software.

I'm sure Mears is happy that Bush and Co. have created another Islamic Republic in the Middle-East. Not only that but its one which (if it doesnt fall over entirely) will be allied to Bush's other axis of evil Iran!

Come on Mears, you're way behind the game here.
 
mears said:
So playing western leader, what do you think?
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A good question. I think I would openly support that group, with the knowledge of other countries (who knows, I could even do it through the UN!) with stated human rights reasons. I probably wouldn't arm them.

The thing is, I'm not a world leader, so I don't know what subtle avenues are open to me to help the people of the country in question. It's obvious to me, even the simpleton that I am, that bombing the crap out of them and then trying to develop a country whose people I don't understand is the *bad* option.
 
well, the pics reprinted in theguardian today, and they seem pretty convinved by its realness.

or, at least, they dont give a fuck if it is fake.
 
FFS the usual procedure would be for a powerful person to discrretely call an aide and a short break or something be done. Yet Bush has to 'ask' to go to the toilet.

I hope the Americans watch just how much their 'Leader' is rightly ridiculed and get rid of the scumbag. Surely even the Amercians can drag their sorry arses out from in front of the TV and sort things out - if they can do that then they will have the respect of all free peoples.

Lee Harvey Oswald where are you when your country needs you (prolly t he last time I can say that before Cuntface Clarke makes it 'incitement to terrorism :mad: )
 
mears said:
You can do more than sit back and bitch right, I mean someone of your intellect? So your way of dealing with Iraq post invasion was to support groups hostile to Saddam, that is what you have said correct? Or is this like our economics discussions. All bark and no bite.

So here we go. I head a organization of Iraqi exiles. All nationalities of the country included. Our goal is to rid Iraq of Saddam and create some type of representative government in its wake. We are sickened by the sanctions and Saddams reign and want to work with elements inside the country to overthrow the dictator.

We are asking western intelligence agencies to provide logistics and guns, and cold cash of course. We don't ask for troops or heavy weapondry.

So playing western leader, what do you think?
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All America all the time right mears? :rolleyes:
 
So who's your choice for the next election, mears? Will it be Bill "I'm really a doctor" Frist or Jeb "I've got one more brain cell than my chimp brother" Bush?
 
Bernie Gunther said:
mears is a strange fella. Here we are having a perfectly sensible discussion of GW's potty training and he's still obsessed with two year old counterfactuals.

mears, all that stuff's academic now. Bush lied, he invaded, he made a complete mess of Iraq. Welcome to the Islamic Republic (s) perhaps after a horrific and regionally destabilising civil war.

The complete mess he made out of your nation's disaster recovery capability, by rejecting the social functions of the state in favour or privatisation and repression, has just become all too apparent to everybody.

Now we find that he needs Condi to wipe his arse because he made a nasty mess down there too.
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Do you have any pride? Leaders can't sit back and complain. They have to make tough decisions in an uncertain, dangerous world. You would have supported groups that were trying to overhrow Saddam, right? I mean you said this. But expanding on this thought of yours requires a little more. Are you capable? What about the group in my hypothetical?
 
Ae589 said:
A good question. I think I would openly support that group, with the knowledge of other countries (who knows, I could even do it through the UN!) with stated human rights reasons. I probably wouldn't arm them.

The thing is, I'm not a world leader, so I don't know what subtle avenues are open to me to help the people of the country in question. It's obvious to me, even the simpleton that I am, that bombing the crap out of them and then trying to develop a country whose people I don't understand is the *bad* option.
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Thanks for responding.

Not much chance of overthrowing Saddam without arms. But thats fine, you supported the status quo. Nothing wrong with that.
 
mears said:
Do you have any pride? Leaders can't sit back and complain. They have to make tough decisions in an uncertain, dangerous world. You would have supported groups that were trying to overhrow Saddam, right? I mean you said this. But expanding on this thought of yours requires a little more. Are you capable? What about the group in my hypothetical?
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Look, you can take Saddam out and shoot him, for all I care.

That doesn't change the fact that Bush is a lame duck president.
 
Actually, he's not really a lame duck. He has caused things to happen.

Better, maybe, to say 'incompetent president'.


[And judging from that note, hopefully not incontinent as well.]
 
Unfortunately, the things he's caused to happen are stupid, incompetent, corrupt and globally destabilising things.

I'd rather he stayed on vacation.
 
you guys are missing it.
this last speach about Katrina, the man will be remembered for rebuilding New Orleans.
They are going to "git er done" Before the next election.
It will be a great tool for the Republican party.
all the liberal dems are still squealing about how Bush made a hurricane that only hit black people..
once again the obvious bias has Blatently shown through.
 
mears said:
Do you have any pride? Leaders can't sit back and complain. They have to make tough decisions in an uncertain, dangerous world. You would have supported groups that were trying to overhrow Saddam, right? I mean you said this. But expanding on this thought of yours requires a little more. Are you capable? What about the group in my hypothetical?
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Ain't it a pity that your beloved president didn't have the gumption or the wit to "make tough decisions" after Katrina?

As for the Saddam thing, I believe it has been established exactly where your country's credibility lies with reference to opposing Saddam: in the shit with most of the other nation-states.
 
Rentonite said:
you guys are missing it.
this last speach about Katrina, the man will be remembered for rebuilding New Orleans.
They are going to "git er done" Before the next election.
It will be a great tool for the Republican party.
all the liberal dems are still squealing about how Bush made a hurricane that only hit black people..
once again the obvious bias has Blatently shown through.
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What a fuckwit.

Your president's last speech wouldn't have been made if his PR gurus hadn't told him he was neck-deep in shit and needed to buy his way out of it.
 
While 911 does demonstrate quite vividly Bush's ability to stand on a pile of corpses and look all triumphant, I don't think history will look kindly on him.

We can see from Florida what a Bush-style relief operation means. A lot of political corruption, with poor people getting the shittiest end of the stick.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601922.html

This one is being run by his chief spin-doctor Karl Rove, while he himself runs the inquiry into how the response (which Bush was responsible for) went so badly wrong. No doubt they will do their best to profit from the misery of the citizens who they let down so badly once again.

Let's consider though, what 3 1/2 years more of US occupation in Iraq is going to look like. Remember what the fall of Saigon looked like? Desperate collaborators hanging to the skids of the fleeing US helicopters and being kicked away?

History isn't going to look kindly on any of his actions. When people talk about the worst president in US history, his name will be there right alongside Grant and Harding.
 
mears said:
Do you have any pride? Leaders can't sit back and complain. They have to make tough decisions in an uncertain, dangerous world. You would have supported groups that were trying to overhrow Saddam, right? I mean you said this. But expanding on this thought of yours requires a little more. Are you capable? What about the group in my hypothetical?
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It's funny how you talk of "pride" when you actually admitted to me that you would collaborate with an occupier. You have no pride, no honour and no morals.
 
Rentonite said:
you guys are missing it.
this last speach about Katrina, the man will be remembered for rebuilding New Orleans.
They are going to "git er done" Before the next election.
It will be a great tool for the Republican party.
all the liberal dems are still squealing about how Bush made a hurricane that only hit black people..
once again the obvious bias has Blatently shown through.
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What planet are you living on?

Racist fuck.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
If anyone does want to talk about Iraq seriously though, I just posted an interesting proposal from the Project on Defence Alternatives on how to extract the US from Iraq without precipitating any more of a blood-bath than is absolutely unavoidable.

It's here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3543909#post3543909
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Don't get me wrong, I don't want you to engage in my line of questioning. I'm happy to see you are unable to move beyond the complaining stage and delve deeper into exactly what should have been done with Saddam. Kind of like your alternative to capitalism, uh hum...

This is a good topic. I believe its essential for US troops to stay in Iraq during the upcoming elections. US troops must work to secure the borders with Syria and Iran. International organizations must step up to the plate and provide money and expertise. After the UN oil for food fiasco, the UN must show a little spine and get back into Iraq full throttle.

If Iraq ceases to become a representative democracy and descends into civil war, Europe will feel the sting more than America. Its Europe that is having a tougher time intergrating their Muslim citizens. Iraq is much closer to Europe than the United States. For this reason its essential for NATO to ramp up their training of Iraqi military officers and police. Since the stakes are so high, the EU must spend more money in Iraq as well. There must be a concerted effort by the international community to lean on Iran and Syria if they destablize Iraq.

I'm sure you agree that the stakes are too high to just sit back and complain and try to isolate the US in this conflict. Even if some countries in Europe were against the war, its vital they support the reconstruction efforts in Iraq because its important that Iraq not become a breeding ground for Jihadists to bomb trains in London, Madrid.

What do you think? Not about the rights or wrongs of US invasion but where we go from here.

Because that is the most important question now, correct?
 
mears said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't want you to engage in my line of questioning. I'm happy to see you are unable to move beyond the complaining stage and delve deeper into exactly what should have been done with Saddam. Kind of like your alternative to capitalism, uh hum...

This is a good topic. I believe its essential for US troops to stay in Iraq during the upcoming elections. US troops must work to secure the borders with Syria and Iran. International organizations must step up to the plate and provide money and expertise. After the UN oil for food fiasco, the UN must show a little spine and get back into Iraq full throttle.

If Iraq ceases to become a representative democracy and descends into civil war, Europe will feel the sting more than America. Its Europe that is having a tougher time intergrating their Muslim citizens. Iraq is much closer to Europe than the United States. For this reason its essential for NATO to ramp up their training of Iraqi military officers and police. Since the stakes are so high, the EU must spend more money in Iraq as well. There must be a concerted effort by the international community to lean on Iran and Syria if they destablize Iraq.

I'm sure you agree that the stakes are too high to just sit back and complain and try to isolate the US in this conflict. Even if some countries in Europe were against the war, its vital they support the reconstruction efforts in Iraq because its important that Iraq not become a breeding ground for Jihadists to bomb trains in London, Madrid.

What do you think? Not about the rights or wrongs of US invasion but where we go from here.

Because that is the most important question now, correct?
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Bomb North Korea?
 
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